trapper1954
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DSheetz, You ever have a dominant male coyote get mauled over while in a snare?
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No, I haven't trapper1954. Most of the time with the length of cable that I run they are pretty much dead before they have time to get mauled by anything. I did have a bobcat torn up by a mountain lion one time, that was in a leghold trap.
trapper1954
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Your method wont work here brother. Deerproof fences on most places, 8' fence. Kill pole works tho..
Yes, I understand that we have a lot of different types of terrain that we work in and that we need to modify our methods for those differences. I have tried the kill poles or the long rebar stakes for them to tangle up in. With my area, starting with 8 feet of cable then using close to 30 inches for my snare set and probably 6 inches for the eye in the end of it that leaves me around 60 inches for them to tangle in and with 36-inch woven wire with two strands of barbed wire on top. that gives me 4-4.5 feet of fence to jump over and then their front feet don't touch the ground. So, it works well here to use an 8-foot snare for me. If I were to go to work in your area, I would have to rethink my methods and learn how to set mine differently. In my area if I were to use shorter snares, I would have coyotes hitting the end of the cable and then backing up and putting the cable right at their mouth for them to chew it in to. And that is a big problem with the people here that are using shorter smaller cables on their snares as well as using the smaller snare locks for 1/16-inch cable on 5/64 cable and slowing the action of the locks. It also then leaves them a live longer to roll and unwrap the cables making it easier for them to break and chew it than wonder off with a new neckless, or around their mid-section. As we have said before we each have to just start out with the basics and adjust them to what will do the best in our induvial circumstances. Another reason why we visit with each other and explain what we do as well as to the why of it, and the reason that I asked you about the type of terrain you were in and the reasoning behind the length of your snares, so that we could learn and understand more for our use in different types of areas. In my area with the way I need to be efficient a swivel in the end of my snares would be of no use as with them tangling as fast as they do it does no good, even as they are reusable they are just an added expense for me here but in other areas where the animals don't have the entanglements they would be very useful in keeping the cable from unwinding and opening up becoming weaker. When we both started there weren't the rules and regulations that there are today. As an example, I could use a Pederson knot, no breakaway device and attach my snare to the fence itself. Now with all of the things that have been seen and done that has changed. I have a weight amount that must be used for my breakaways, I am not to attach my snare to the fence and there are sizes in the diameter of the opening I can use for my snare sets to help avoid deer and antelope name tags are to be attached to them, and many other rules as well. I tell people how things work for me to give them an idea of what works here for them to have a starting point and I ask others how they do their things to give my ideas of how I can change things to be more efficient in mine. Different aspects of the same type of thing to learn even more about what can help me and others do better what we enjoy doing.
trapper1954
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Third coyote in cat set, female, 8' chain went 100 yards, 1/2 hitched on a stump here. Thought I had a panther from what she tore up 4 to 5' off the ground.
trapper1954
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3 to 4 pounds and width probably,, well same as a cocked #3 victor, dog to off jaw, i built 99% of my drags and these are sucker rod 7/8 & 1" with used trailer axle u bolts, spread & forged out. I imagine my drag is 11 or 12" long. Stays in the ground good, leaves a good mark with the kicker deal on it. designed to plant itself, lets say in a coastal field. Lots of fallen limbs clogged the drag yet when the limbs started shelling out they pointed the way. The angle, good question, same as an old gov. drag. Go back a couple of pages theres a picture kinda shows what I got, all needs to fit in 1 hole as in holes come hard here more so than not.
did not have a dog with me.
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It looks like around 10 degrees on your prongs. When I used drags, they were 4 lbs. with a 6 " spread on the prongs that were set at 12 degrees, that way they would catch on rocks and such better for me. I ran 10 feet of chain so that they wouldn't bounce, and they would leave a better trail, providing it didn't dump a few inches of new snow on clear ground to cover your drags marks, and it seemed to let the coyote have more give and not pull out with that amount of leverage to work with. Most of the areas that I had were pretty open not much brush or ground clutter often not even much sagebrush. In the high country there was a lot of course sand and gravel and at times you had to bring your own trap covering dirt with you from close by areas, scraping the dry surface dirt so you had good fine dirt that was dry and didn't smell freshly turned, so as to blend your set in well. I don't have large packs of coyotes most of the time I will have two to three in an area for most of the year. September and October are the months where I will have larger family groups running together. Starting in January here they will be getting the idea that they are wanting an area to call home for the pupping season. By March or early April, they will be paired up and have a territory clamed, if you take that pair out of the area you will have an open area for several weeks here. The size of their areas depends on the available food, more food smaller area less food more area, type of thing. I do still have some free ranging coyotes that don't pair up and will come into an open area. Most of my coyotes don't have a real pack mentality so they don't run in larger groups, except for hard winters and before fall dispersal. So, you can clean an area out and not have any to catch for a while, at this time of the year here.
It is always good to see young people getting involved in the out of doors sports. I enjoy seeing the Mom's, Dad's, Grandparents and the rest of the family including young people, in what we do as enjoyment. I hope we all had a safe and healthy Holiday and shared time with friends and family. I finished feeding and watering my wife's friend's cows and she got home from visiting with her family for Christmas. My kids got home for the day, and I got to spend time with my grandson, as well as them. A thank You for sharing the pictures of your coydog with us my friend. They aren't a common happening, it is estimated that less then 3 percent of the coyote population has some domestic dog in their genes.
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Yes, it is Hal; I liked it a lot as you could adjust it to be really fast and not hardly any friction or you could tighten it and keep it from blowing closed, you never had any problem with frost, snow and ice keeping them from closing, like you can have with a lot of the other style of locks. I modified mine a little by making the first circle with a double ferule, then passing my cable through it a couple of times, before passing it through itself for the locking part. I caught a few hundred with them. I will take a picture of one probably tomorrow. I don't know what it was crossed with for sure, but it had a short face and white on its muzzle. He told me the fur buyer offered him 10.00 for it. There isn't much demand for the odd ones in the fur industry as they are hard to match up with anything else. We have had an open winter so far; it's been warmer than normal, and I have been enjoying that. I haven't been getting out much and that's okay with me at this time the rancher's son in laws want to do some fur snaring and calling, so I'm good with that when they call it good in the spring, I will go back to work for them if they have any problems. Or if I get asked to by someone else, getting older has its advantages and disadvantages, and I'm about enjoying it the most I can.
trapper1954
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I bought all the videos Slim made way back when. I learned a lot and shared with upstarts, of which one is now trouble shooter for gov, and I'm proud of all hes done.
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