Early in my coyote hunting career I was up on the mountain in the foot hills it was early May . I walked up a deep draw that tapered out at the base of a huge rock pile . I got set up in the rocks and waited awhile for the birds and other animals to calm down good . I had gone down and visited Bill Austen and called Vern Dorn by then and they had taught me a small amount of what they knew from the years of doing it they had done . They were very willing to help me get started doing coyote control work as I was a long ways from them and the mistakes I would make didn't affect their jobs . Any way I got set up and used what Bill called his interrogation call . It took around 5 or 6 sets of this call before I saw movement out maybe 1000 yards . A pair was coming in they stopped out maybe 500 yards and started to bark and do short howls at me doing kick backs and peeing , crapping and marking their area . As hard as I tried they wouldn't move any closer and did this for 30 - 45 minutes . I gave up and stopped calling to them and just watched them till they finally just sat down and watched my way . They eventually got up and went back the way they came from , so did I . That night I went over what had taken place and finally decided that I had to be out of their area and they had come to their boundary line and let me know not to come any closer to it . Being hard headed and needing to get this pair as they were having lamb for dinner , I decided to slip into their area and try it again .I waited a few days and went back in going up draws till I was well inside where they had stopped found me some buck brush and got set up watched and waited before I tried the interrogation call again . This time I saw them jump up and start doing their threat barks and howls at the head of a draw in some sage brush . They stopped talking and both ran straight at me on a hard run . I shot the lead dog and the second one jumped over it still running at me . I shot it at maybe 5 yards as all I could see was fur in the scope . After awhile I got my composure gathered them up then found my way up to where they had jumped up from . There it was the den was in plain sight when I stood where they had been laying as the grass was mashed down from them . 5 pups were in the den hole I had learned some and figured out just a small amount more about the coyote my addiction was getting stronger with every success but more so every time they beat me at the chase .