I'll have to check them out, thanks. I did end up with a full set of Sitka in open country. I get a good deal on them and I can try them on unlike Kuiu (I'd have to drive 2.5 hours to their store).Have any of you tried these? ATG by Wrangler Men's Synthetic Utility Pant. I hunt, hike, work in the yard in them, and love them. I have a pair of KUIU attack pants that I received as a gift, but I don't wear them. They seem pretty expensive for hunting in W. OK. Also, I wore the Wrangler pants on a hike in the Grand Canyon. Some of my companions wore KUIU pants. I did not feel I was at a disadvantage at all. While we were there the rim received over 8 inches of snow. I use wool under them in the fall. And in the winter I switch to my wool hunting pants. As long as Wrangler keeps making them I will keep buying them.
I got the mountain pant, core lightweight long sleeve, heavyweight 1/4 zip, jet stream soft shell jacket, kelvin puffy jacket, mountain glove, and stormfront glove. I plan to get the core lightweight hoody, traverse gloves and a jet stream beanie to finish off the collection. At some point maybe get some lightweight pants and tops in subalpine for archery in timber.