Ok I am not a big fan of the 6.5 Creedmore

[FIGJAM]

With those numbers, even at 800, you'd probably be ok, but I don't think I would push it any farther than that. Isn't 1,300 lbs.ft. the minimum they recommend for elk?

Its debatable, but we have gone all the way down to 1200 for elk and 800 for deer and haven't had a problem. I know some jackwad on here is going to start talking about how the bullets won't expand at those velocities, but my experience it what it is, and we haven't had a problem at those velocities.

 

[MudRunner2005]

Its usually the guys that didn't grow up in elk country that start the rumors that they are bullet proof. I have been elk hunting since I was 7 - so about 30 years. Most of my family shot 270s and a few shot a 243. Why? No idea, but they didn't a have a problem putting meat in the fridge. I guess that is why I laugh so hard as these guys who claim you have to have at least a 30 cal magnum to kill elk. They aren't that tough - use some common sense on shot placement and know the effective range of your cartridge. I have already said in another thread that I am going to leave all my magnums in the safe this fall and hunt elk with my 260 rem, just so I can hop on here and tell the story. The one in my avatar was taken at 430 yards with my 270 wsm. The 300 rum, 325 wsm and 300 weatherby all got left in the safe last fall. In fact, after seeing how well my 270 wsm performed I see no need for a 30 cal or bigger anything for elk size game. Shoot what you want, but stop being ignorant to how easy it is to kill an elk.

Have you ever hunted down here in the SE? Whitetails are some of the most tenacious animals you'll ever shoot. Seen them shot nearly point-blank (within 30 feet) with a 3.5" 12ga slug right through the boilermaker, and still run 100+ yards through a pine thicket.

 

[FIGJAM]

This has been the most perplexing part of this forum to me. I grew up watching elk killed and killing elk with 270s, 243 and even once saw a 22-250 knock one down at 400 yards. In the end they are just flesh and bones like every other living thing. Not to long ago on this forum I saw someone say his 325 wsm was min he would take elk hunting...smh. Man people must think elk are tanks or something. I shoot a 280 AI or 28 nosler but wouldn't be worried about using something smaller especially on cows.

Its the guys paying out of state tag fees and spending thousands of dollars that think the larger gun will help them fill the tag that start this stupid nonsense. I really love it when they buy a brand new cannon just for the hunt and can't shoot it worth a ****. We watched a show like that a couple years ago across the canyon with some guys (we found out later were from Pennsylvania) shooting all around a little 4 point bull at about 400 yards. They couldn't believe their 338 rums were missing so bad - I didn't have the heart to point out that it wasn't the guns fault, it was the idiot pulling the trigger with his eyes closed. LOL

 

[Jared2700]

Is it true that the US Army is replacing the 120mm guns with the 6.5?

For months, senior Army officials have been telling Congress that the current 5.56mm Enhanced Performance Round is not potent enough to penetrate enemy body armor plates similar to U.S. military-issue rifle plates such as the Enhanced Small Arms Protective Insert, or ESAPI.

As a solution, the Army is experimenting with a plan to replace its M249 squad automatic weapon and M4 carbine with futuristic weapons that fire a 6.5mm case-telescoped round or something that falls between a 5.56mm and a 7.62mm round. I think this might be What you heard. They also mentioned that the have been looking at the 6.5 creedmoor.

 

[FIGJAM]

Have you ever hunted down here in the SE? Whitetails are some of the most tenacious animals you'll ever shoot. Seen them shot nearly point-blank (within 30 feet) with a 12ga slug right through the boilermaker, and still run 100+ yards through a pine thicket.

No yet, but I took a promotion that is going to relocate me to Tennessee for a couple years, so I am anxious to try it out. That is also a difference - if you are hunting in open country in idaho and a deer or an animal runs 100 yards and dies, you can usually see where they fall. I understand back east it is pretty thick stuff.

 

[MudRunner2005]

For months, senior Army officials have been telling Congress that the current 5.56mm Enhanced Performance Round is not potent enough to penetrate enemy body armor plates similar to U.S. military-issue rifle plates such as the Enhanced Small Arms Protective Insert, or ESAPI.

As a solution, the Army is experimenting with a plan to replace its M249 squad automatic weapon and M4 carbine with futuristic weapons that fire a 6.5mm case-telescoped round or something that falls between a 5.56mm and a 7.62mm round. I think this might be What you heard. They also mentioned that the have been looking at the 6.5 creedmoor.

Been saying for years that they should just implement the 6.5 Grendel and be done with it. Only requires a barrel, bolt, and mag change to their current platform. The 5.56 is not the bada$$ round everyone in the media thinks it is. It's actually quite impotent compared to most other options.

 

[rustyshackleford]

1,000 ASL in Alabama, you must be up in the northern 1/3 of the state up around Bankhead where the Appalachians end (Birmingham or higher). I'm at around 600' ASL in central AL.

I'm up in Cullman. I usually just run 800 ft ASL for my numbers. It definitely changes things.

 

[bigngreen]

I've had well hit whitetail make it WAY farther than elk. I had a doe make it 300 yards and I blew her heart all over the hay field, elk I've seen maybe wobble a few steps with the same hit. Elk just aren't that hard to kill if you wait for the shot that kills them easy, if you decide to make it hard an elk can roll with ya but it's your decision to make them tougher than they really are.!

 

[MudRunner2005]

No yet, but I took a promotion that is going to relocate me to Tennessee for a couple years, so I am anxious to try it out. That is also a difference - if you are hunting in open country in idaho and a deer or an animal runs 100 yards and dies, you can usually see where they fall. I understand back east it is pretty thick stuff.

It's rare you get wide-open shots in the SE unless you're hunting up in the mountains of North Alabama, Tenn, and GA.

 

[MudRunner2005]

I'm up in Cullman. I usually just run 800 ft ASL for my numbers. It definitely changes things.

Haaa! That's where half my family is from.

 

[Jared2700]

Been saying for years that they should just implement the 6.5 Grendel and be done with it. Only requires a barrel, bolt, and mag change to their current platform. The 5.56 is not the bada$$ round everyone in the media thinks it is. It's actually quite impotent compared to most other options.

I agree it would make a lot of sense to do so as they have just ordered more M4 recently. But you know the government they will spend spend spend...

 

[Creedmoor shooter]

Have you ever hunted down here in the SE? Whitetails are some of the most tenacious animals you'll ever shoot. Seen them shot nearly point-blank (within 30 feet) with a 3.5" 12ga slug right through the boilermaker, and still run 100+ yards through a pine thicket.

I hunt the NE (New Hampshire) and I've seen deer take hits that just baffle your mind. Most only go about 25 or 30 yards but then you'll get those ones that will get absolutely drilled with a large cartridge and run 80-100 yards before finally giving up. I never see a bang flop unless it's a CNS hit.

 

[MudRunner2005]

I agree it would make a lot of sense to do so as they have just ordered more M4 recently. But you know the government they will spend spend spend...

Yeah, and they'll waste waste waste, too... The amount of wasted money we spend upgrading weapons in the same impotent cartridges, the more of our soldiers get hurt and killed. If we want to win a war, we need to dominate the battlefield. For God's sakes, we're fighting caveman with 1940's technology weapons they cobbled-together at Khyber Pass, but yet, we're not completely dominating over them? Why? Mainly because of NATO and the Geneva Convention. We need to tell NATO to shove it, and that we're going to do things the American way!

 

[Jared2700]

I'm up in Cullman. I usually just run 800 ft ASL for my numbers. It definitely changes things.

6400 ft here in nevada and it get higher from there 10,000 ft. Plus.