Oh my surely not

[tn4lee]

Ok I meant for this to be in general discussion but low and behold I screwed that up

My criteria for evaluating an article, especially when it is data driven, is whether I am inclined to read it through to completion, and perhaps, contemplate and interpret what I've read after completing the article. I did that in this case, Ron. Thanks.

 

[Anschutz]

I don't care what anyone else shoots. In these times, getting people out to enjoy shooting sports is more important than what they shoot. If I didn't have a .270, I might have a 6.5 Creed but up here I can find .270 and not 6.5CM ammo/components.

 

[freddiej]

I might as well wade into this one.. it will be fun.
I am not a 6.5 fan, no secret there. I just do not follow ever fad in Gundom. I grew up with 30-06, 30-30, 7MM R/M, 32 Win Special, and others. My first hunting rifle was a very maligned Savage 110 in 270 win. I like the 270 caliber. I like the win case, WSM case and the 264 win mag case necked up to 270. I am starting to like the 27 Nosler the more I read from friends that own these Nosler cartridges the more I like the Nosler case.
now I do have other calibers, 224, 172, 338, 308, 375, 458, and 321. I do not like being a "one caliber prude". I like variety. I just do not like 7MM, 6.5 MM, and 6MM. which it seems a majority of the hunters like everything I do not. that must make me something like weird or the black sheep or something. I do not know.
What I do know is that I am very good with my 270's and the other calibers I own. I see no reason to change for something that will fall out of vogue in a few years and lead me back to what I know best. Yes, I like classic cartridges, some black powder cartridge era stuff, and turn of the 1800's to the 1900's.
What is the end all; beat all cartridge.. I do not believe there is such a thing.. but the closest I can come to that is the 338 Win Mag. in my mind the most versatile cartridge ever made. a very close second and third are the 270 Winchester and the 300 Win Mag. I always wanted to neck up a 300 win mag to 338 and see how much improvement and range I got. I thought that would be the ultimate cartridge but I never did. however I did take a 7MM R/M and neck it down to 0.277" and that was an awesome cartridge. I think if the 270-264 Win MAg or the other designation of 270-338 Win Mag were made mainstream, the 7MM Rem Mag would have some serious competition for popularity. while I owned that rifle; it was my go to rifle for deer, elk, and prong horn. with the right selection of slugs the rifle could handle a myriad of duties and animals. it would have to be one of the best, most versatile cartridges I have ever shot. I would also put it above the 338 Win Mag as the most versatile cartridge I know. all this talk of the best, the ultimate and all the rest has got me thinking and has pretty much cemented my resolve to rebuild my 270-264 Win Mag rifle. I miss it, I loved it, and I know how good it was. I will be selling the 300 RUM I have to help make this happen.
Y'all, I enjoyed reading this thread and putting my 2 cents in. you do not have to agree with me, you most likely won't.. but we are all hunters, we are all long range guys, and I will not ever bash you for your caliber/case selection. I hope you can respect and accept that we have different opinions about things. I love seeing people's opinions and views. It makes this world much more fun to live in. also it gives me something to laugh at when a few of my hunting buddies can't take a goat at 400 yards and my 25-06 does it in one shot.
later Y'all..
270's are the ultimate!
I'm out!

 

[Lee Goodwin]

I like my 270, .277 or 7mm is a good round for deer on down. And, should make an excellent man killer in a military rifle. 130 gr going 3000.
7mm Mauser did well.
I wanna see the 6mm navy return...now that powder and projectiles have evolved so much.
54 sharps is all you need. Plus,
38/357 pistolio.
22LR 10 inch Ruger.
12 g pump.
And, ammo.

 

[Ward Thurman]

My 54 Sharps is all I need, everything else is new fangled high-tech garbage.
Smokeless powder is a fad.
Real men use 30-30s with buckhorns.
30-40 Krag is fine, we don't need the Kaiser's Mauser or the Swede's 6.5.
The 270 is for women who can't handle the 30-06.
The 308 only exists because America can't produce real men who can handle the 30-06 like their Nazi-punching dads.
All these scopes are a fad, they're just a crutch for poor shooters.
The 223 kills with hydrostatic shock, if you hit something in the foot its brain explodes.
Only cartridges at least 100 years old matter.
Everything new makes me mad.


Covered it? Good to go. Curmudgeons be curmudgeons in every decade.

So do you still ride a horse to work? Or one of them new fangled Model T's?

 

[Hugnot]

My 54 Sharps is all I need, everything else is new fangled high-tech garbage.
Smokeless powder is a fad.
Real men use 30-30s with buckhorns.
30-40 Krag is fine, we don't need the Kaiser's Mauser or the Swede's 6.5.
The 270 is for women who can't handle the 30-06.
The 308 only exists because America can't produce real men who can handle the 30-06 like their Nazi-punching dads.
All these scopes are a fad, they're just a crutch for poor shooters.
The 223 kills with hydrostatic shock, if you hit something in the foot its brain explodes.
Only cartridges at least 100 years old matter.
Everything new makes me mad.


Covered it? Good to go. Curmudgeons be curmudgeons in every decade.

I was a computer programmer/systems analyst for many years. At one point I suggested that all sorts of magnetic/electronic media be abandoned in favor of knotted ropes. I successfully demonstrated my idea using a large basket containing a huge coil of knotted rope. A computer screen would be replaced by the recipients imagination as the knotted rope passed through his/her feeling fingers. Technology might be the curse of our age.

 

[QuietTexan]

Hey - the Kaiser's Mauser begat our revered 30.06.

And that's why caliber debates are pointless. Perfection was achieved in 1906 and everything after is just noise. The 30-06 has been, is, and always will be the King.

 

[QuietTexan]

So do you still ride a horse to work? Or one of them new fangled Model T's?

I'm not the crumudgeon, there's just always one out there. I shoot a Creedmoor on occasion, and I have a hard time finding hair ties for my man bun.

I would shoot my 30-06 more, but the barrel isn't threaded. I have the Creed because I got a Bergara that was factory threaded and the ballistics are fine for its job. At this point I care more about being suppressed than caliber. A bullet is just a ball of energy, it's my job to put it in the right place. I have everything from a 17HMR to 300 RUM depending on what the energy level needs to be.

 

[Treeslug]

Had I not bought my CZ 550 in 6.5x55 I may have bought a Creed. The Swede on a modern action is a great cartridge and is right there with the 260, Creed, and 6x47.
with the 20.5" barrel on my rifle I get approximately the velocity as my friends creed shooting the eldx. His rifle is a little more accurate though. His barrel is fully floated while mine sits in a Manlicher style stock. I can shoot slightly under an inch while he can consistently shoot half in groups.
I have no ill towards the caliber. It's the people who believe it's the end all be all caliber that make me scratch my head. Same for those who believe you need to have something with Magnum behind its name in order to shoot an animal that weighs 150-300 pounds.

You do not have to have the word Magnum behind its name--it is just more fun-er-er.

 

[Accuracyman]

I find this discussion very amusing. I guess I fall into the old guy category because I started out with a good old 30-06. Hunted with it for several years then migrated to my first custom chambered in 270 Win. Hunted with that for the next several years. Then had to have a 280 Rem and then a 25-06. Hunted with those for years. Then I discovered the short actions and built a 7-08. Loved it and shot it for a few years. Then the 308 came along and loved it. Then kids came along and I dropped down to 6mm BR's and 243's. All were very effective deer slayers if the bullet was placed right. Then the magnum craze hit me and I built a 7mm Rem Mag, then a 300 Win Mag, and then the 338 Win Mag. As I age I find myself going back down to lower recoil cartridges so I built a 6.5 Creed to see what all the rage was about. Love my Creedmoor but then the 6.5 PRC came out and I had to have one. Love the PRC btw. Then everyone said why not a 7mm RSUM so I built one of those. Love it as well. All are awesome deer rifles and they all have their place. In the end I discovered I just liked guns and shooting them. I now grab a different rifle for each hunt and enjoy the variety. I think we can all agree we just like to shoot. I still have every rifle mentioned above and have another barrel in my lathe as I speak (type). It's a kind of sickness I guess but I cannot get enough. I think we all have this sickness to some degree and I enjoy listening to the various arguments for this caliber over that caliber. Yep you are all right (mostly). I personally love them all.

Then comes the competition rifles. Short range benchrest where the 6 PPC rules the range. Then a 22 PPC to check it out. Then some longer range rifles and I jump in on the 6x47 Lapua, then a 6XC, then a 6.5x284, and then the straight 284! Yep they are all great. The best...I don't believe there will ever be a BEST in anything. Progress makes sure of that. I just enjoy the ride.

Keep up the discussions guys and I'll keep chambering barrels!

 

[Treeslug]

And that's why caliber debates are pointless. Perfection was achieved in 1906 and everything after is just noise. The 30-06 has been, is, and always will be the King.

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The thing about 30-06, not the problem, is that down here in Texas, almost all male children fall out of their mother's womb holding a 30-06 rifle. If they are not born holding a 30-06, they are holding a 270 or a 243, depending on how soon they will start hunting. I fell out of my mother's womb holding a slingshot and a bag of rocks. And, they put my arms on backwards. I was born left-handed. Soooo, when I grew up--I bought a 7mm Remington Magnum, only because that was the largest, most powerful gun I could afford in left-hand rifles at the time. I am proud to say that all three of my sons appeared sporting .300 WM's. We are a true belted magnum family.

 

[WHITEBULL]

Apparently, we all have issue's. God help us. BTW 270 WSM

 

[QuietTexan]

The thing about 30-06, not the problem, is that down here in Texas, almost all male children fall out of their mother's womb holding a 30-06 rifle.

Ahhh, a Texan and his rifle is a beautiful thing. My wife was not nearly as amused as I expected her to be when I bought my sons matching, sequentially numbered suppressors for their 22s. Maybe because they're 4 and 2... but hey, start 'em early.

 

[Kanoeking]

Ahhh, a Texan and his rifle is a beautiful thing. My wife was not nearly as amused as I expected her to be when I bought my sons matching, sequentially numbered suppressors for their 22s. Maybe because they're 4 and 2... but hey, start 'em early.

Are you willing to adopt another son...me?