Notes on the Centenerian

[ncwg2boatguy]

This debates been beat to death. I like both. I'm done.

 

[Joe16]

View attachment 133029 I would shoot a .308 with a 150gr Barnes TSX because it has killed every animal I have shot out to 650yds with one shot.

That is so funny. That looks like a 30 06 I built on a Savage 110 action

 

[Joe16]

The poster bdlesh stated 2600 fps for comparison.

What I said was why would I lower my '06 velocities to 308 Win velocities? Ain't that what this thread is about: the centurian 30-06???

Sure, if what he said to create loads that both shoot 2600 fps is a valid comparison as there would be no difference. But why would I limit my '06 loads when they can be so much better.

I can't help that you are handicapped by a 1:12 twist. That is your problem. I do not have those limits.

By the way: I can load the '06 with a Woodleigh 240 gr bullet at almost the same velocity of 2600 fps that whathisname said he gets out of his 308 Win with the 180 gr. bullets. Chew on that for a while.

No substitute for horsepower

 

[Deleted member 48126]

I personally feel like everyone should own a .30-06 and .308. They are American classics. I own one of each. Love them.

I also have a few weird ones like a 7mm TCU, .300BO, and just got a 6.5grendel. It's all fun in the end.

I did have a guy at the range this morning tell me he knew a sniper who shot a Taliban in afghanistan at 1700 yards with his m40 sniper rifle in .308win.

 

[Shootin4fun]

[QUOTE="Watched a 300 mag kill 2 bulls so fast, it dam near knocked their ivories out. No love for the misuse of the 6.5 on big game. Great deer and target round though.
I own an 06, mostly out of respect for the round. /QUOTE]
+1! Misuse of the 6.5 on big game...It gets worse with the 6.5 Grendel...There are guys (and gals) on 6.5G forums that hunt (& kill) elk with those, in short barrel AR form. Why?? SMH It's a psychological phenomenon I see over and over, even in the airgun world...gotta try to kill the largest think imaginable with the person has. It leads to being inhumane.
And "out of respect"...how many guys bought an M1 Garand from the government program just for that reason? Hundreds of thousands I suppose! I laugh when I tell followers of certain anti-gun (AR) politicians who say "Military style weapons have no place in the hands of civilians." that the government emptied warehouses of M1 Gs and carbines into the hands of civilians. A lot of us learned to shoot high power rifles with WWII M1s. The beaches of Normandy were "assaulted" by them! BANG x 8 PING!

 

[shooterntn]

The .270 is not based on the 30 06. It was based on the 30 03 very similar but an earlier cartridge. 25 06 is a necked down 30 06.

So your saying they 270 is a diffrent case, verse 30 06, or 25 06 ?

 

[Joe16]

I think you missed the point of my question. I am asking if there is any difference between two different cartridges shooting the same bullet at the same velocity. I keep seeing people arguing over what is best, even if the one's in question have very similar specs. and as for the 2500 fps, that was just a hypothetical number, insert 3000 fps if that helps. I'm just wondering why would there be any difference in performance between the two.

 

[Shootin4fun]

I'll chime in on one other aspect. It's fun to hear the close-minded folks bash the 6.5 CM. It's as common as the Vortex scope bashing and just as silly.

Off topic but...
Yeah, I at the range yesterday I met just such a person. He said, knowing that I like mine, basically that the 6.5CM is all BS, popular because the "younger generation" glaumed on to it, bla bla bla. He revealed that he's 59, and just started hand loading a few years ago. That's when I laughed at him, told him that I'm 66, started hand loading at 15 and am still learning new stuff. Then he showed me his bolt made out of recycled engine parts and discarded wrenches of which he was proud.

 

[Joe16]

Twist rate the 30 ought 6 was designed with one in ten and the 308 is 1 + 12 loaded to the same velocities with a a 150 grain bullet, test on soft tissue showed more damage with 1 in 12 twist rate they tend to your faster in the body cavity causing more damage. The one in ten twist rate bullet seem to stabilize further through the body cavity causing less damage.

 

[MudRunner2005]

The 215 Berger is a target bullet. The Woodleigh 240 is a hunting bullet. Stick the 240 Woodleigh in a 308 Win and see what you get with it.

I'll believe you get 2600 with a 215 Berger in 308 Win when Willie Nelson climbs Mt Everest.

I would never use a flat base bullet with that low of a BC, also, there are thousands of dead animals from the 215 Hybrid. It functions just like a regular hunting bullet, and has proven itself as a viable hunting bullet, despite it's "target" monicker.

https://www.longrangehunting.com/threads/comparing-the-berger-210-vld-to-the-215-hybrid.88657/

The man who started that thread has even continued the conversation over to another forum. LOTS of people use it for a hunting bullet.

You've obviously never shot a heavy in a .308 Win... Lapua brass, Federal 210M primers, CFE223, and a Berger 215 Hybrid. In my rifle, I can average between 2550-2600 FPS MV tested on a MagnetoSpeed V2.

 

[Shootin4fun]

Two of the best cartridges ever....

.22LR and .30-06

EXACTLY my childhood firearms learning path. 22 LR single shot bolt 24" tube -> M1 Garand. Then that newfangled .223 thing came along...

 

[bigngreen]

The 215 Berger is a target bullet. The Woodleigh 240 is a hunting bullet. Stick the 240 Woodleigh in a 308 Win and see what you get with it.

I'll believe you get 2600 with a 215 Berger in 308 Win when Willie Nelson climbs Mt Everest.

The Berger 215 is thee best bullet I've hunted with in my 308, hands down, I run a real sweet target load at 2430 and a hunting load at 2620 fps. I'm still hunting when the woodleigh is skipping of the ground, why ruin a great hunting load with that turd!!

 

[arch408]

Com'on, the 308 is (almost) as fast the 30-06. It's more more accurate? Kicks less. Short action. Lighter. Did I leave anything out? Makes it better, right. Yeah, if you want to believe it. The old 06 has never let me down. Killed lots of deer with it. Never lost one with it. But, then I've never lost one with my 6.5 Rem Mag either. Had to use it one year because of logistic reasons. Used a 100 grain factory CoreLokt. Broadside, about 150 yards through the lungs. Complete penetration. Lungs destroyed. No trailing needed. Used it several times since then. Does it make it better than the 30-06? I don't think so. I'd bet that the same hit with a .223 or 22-250 with the right bullet would have had similar results, or a .375 H&H, or a .338 RUM. I've never shot anything with a .308, but I wouldn't hesitate to use one up deer size. Anything bigger I'm using the 30-06. Handles heavier bullets better. Handloaded to .308 preasures with proper powder, it's considerably faster. Not 21% though. Rember, the law of diminishing returns. "A 2000 pound bomb does not do twice as much damage as a 1000 pounder. Traditionally, you can expect about half as much increase. So, 30-06 being @21% larger will yield about 10% increase in velocity with the same bullet, or about 250 to 280 fps. Is it better than a .308? Yes, in the right circumstances. I'm not trading my 06 for .308. Back in my caliber/cartridge challenged days, many prairie dogs and coyotes met their demise with my 30-06 loaded with the Sierra 110 grain hollow point. Aren't differing opinions great?

 

[bigngreen]

I love the older chamberings, the funnest thing for me is rediscovering their capability with new brass, new powders and especially new bullets, what fun can be had!! By the same token taking new rounds that while duplicating older rounds in performance bring a niche function that make them great in new applications, we live in a day when bringing a slight tweak to a case to allow it to be perfected for a singular application is marketable and can be brought to the market reasonably quick compared to years ago. I sure hope as I age I don't become so closed minded I can't see and appreciate what slight changes can bring to old favorites!!