Nosler LR Accubonds: BC testing results

I've been able to get my hands on 4 out of the 7 LR Accubonds; everything up thru 7mm 168 grain. The following summarizes my BC testing of these bullets.

One of the big questions is: are the BC's actually as high as they're claimed/advertised to be?

See the chart below for a summary of my live fire test results.

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As you can see, the actual BC's can be quite close; within 1-8% of advertised if they're properly stabilized. If they're not properly stabilized (which you might not know according to groups), the BC can be 10-12% lower than advertised.

The LR AB's are well designed (low drag) bullets. One reality of long/low drag bullets is they typically require faster than conventional twist rates to stabilize. However Nosler doesn't provide recommended 'specialty' twist rates for these bullets (at least not that I could find) so users are left to assume that standard twist rates will work.

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For example, the .270 caliber 150 grain LRAB fired from a 1:10" twist 270 Winchester only produced an SG (stability factor) of 1.19 under the conditions of the test. This low stability resulted in a G7 BC of 0.278, which is 12% below the advertised value of .317. Note that groups were good at this stability level. However, in order to achieve the highest BC, you need to generate a stability factor of at least 1.5*. Retesting the bullet in a 1:7" twist 270 Winchester produced an SG of 2.31, and a BC that's 4% higher (0.291).

It's the same story with the 7mm 168 grain. Fired from a 'standard' 1:9" twist 7mm Remington Magnum, the stability factor was 1.33, and the BC was 10% less than advertised. Same bullet fired from a 1:7" twist .284 Winchester produced an SG of 2.19, and a BC that's 4% higher, and within 6% of the advertised BC.

* New book plug :) : A lot has been learned in recent testing focused on spin rate, stability and BC which is being published in my newest book: Modern Advancements in Long Range Shooting.

In summary, the Nosler LR Accubonds are a dramatic improvement over the standard Accobonds in terms of BC's which is a great thing for long range hunters. However you do need to be aware of the stability requirements for these long bullets and aim for a stability factor of 1.5 or higher.

You can calculate your bullets stability factor using this online calculator

None of my testing focused on precision/group testing other than the observation that groups were the same at the marginal and high stability levels.

If anyone has some 7mm 175 grain, or .308 190/210 grain samples of the LR Accubonds that they could spare for testing, I'll be happy to share results. I'd need about 15 bullets to test.

Take care,
-Bryan

Hey Bryan,

So basically what your research shows is that you are better off going with a rifle that matches the twist rate of the bullet and that if you mix and match you loose the true ballistics?

Personally I do not shoot enough to get into hand loading, so I will be using factory loads. As mentioned going with a 300 RUM will out preform the 300 Win Mag, however with the ABLR 190 Grain you can achieve similar energies.

Another Chitty thing about is ammo selection, try to find 300 Rum when you need them, a dubious prospect at best, whereas 300 win mag are readily available at most reputable gun shops.
 
Bryan,

Thank you for sharing. You know what? I admit I've been critical of you off and on over the years as I'm sure you noticed. Anyway, I would like to apologize for that. I've made my share of mistakes in certain calculations and argued with you way too much about them. Anyway, thank you for sharing. I did run the 210s over double chronies side by side with the 208 amax and found the 210 ALR to be 3-4% lower than the 208. It would be interesting to compare those results to yours when you get a chance to test some to see if I did it right. These were fired out of a 10x barrel in the 2700'sec range.

M

Well I'm sho glad that thar got fixed quick as it did. Stead ah two combatants we got us a real BC team ahgoin!! So us unwashed and unknowin of such science can larn. I could sho use some larnin in that stuff. I been shootin critters at 8 and 15 yds with my longbow, crossbow, shotgun, and R15 450 Bushmaster. Not nary ah need fir bc #s in stuff like that. Now I wanna larn ta shoot farther that my nose so I better listen up good HA!
 
When I put the 175 ABLR into the twist calculator in a 1-9" barrel for my gun it shows a stability factor of 1.7 at 7,200 feet altitude. With that said, does the advertised bc work, or do I still go with the reduced number?
 
You'll want to go with the BC's that were measured for full stability which were:
G1 BC: 0.647 (average from 3000 to 1500 fps)
G7 BC: 0.331 (good for all speeds)

The advertised BC's were 9% high for this bullet (7mm 175 gr LRAB).

-Bryan
 
Ok thanks Bryan. With that said, do the Berger VLD Hunters live up to their advertised b.c.? Have you had a chance to teat the eld-x bullets?
 
The BC's published by Berger are all measured the same way I measure all other bullets BC's so they're as accurate as I can get them.

I'm in the process of testing the ELD line of bullets. Think I've got 4 shot, 3 on the shelf, and more on backorder. Will report when the data is available.

-Bryan
 
I'll be curious to see what you come up with one the ELD's. Hornady really bragged up their testing of the bullet, specifically the BC testing and their doplar. I would be happy to donate some of the new nosler 6.5's 142's if you'd like to test them. I'm quite curious about them in my 26 Nosler. Running them through shooter, they showed some impressive numbers. Wind drift and energy were significant improvements over the 140 VLD. I just used an arbitrary 3200fps for the program but it was interesting to see what it spit out.
 
You'll want to go with the BC's that were measured for full stability which were:
G1 BC: 0.647 (average from 3000 to 1500 fps)
G7 BC: 0.331 (good for all speeds)

The advertised BC's were 9% high for this bullet (7mm 175 gr LRAB).

-Bryan



Bryan,

So then a 1:9 twist WILL adequately stabilize a 7mm 175gr ABLR for accuracy BUT a faster twist would optimize the bullets performance?
 
I would really like to hear what you come up with on the 142 ABLR. I have found a load that my 26 nosler likes but have not been able to stretch them out at range. They are shooting on average 3340 FPS and shoot sub half minute. If I get out to shoot them before anyone posts info here I will update my info for you all. Thanks

Brandon
 
Well i will be sticking to the Berger in my 30-378 Accumark
210-15 @3200 fps
3 shot @100
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