They go out more than you think - most guys just know that they will get eaten alive for bringing it up on this forum. Gunwerks is case and point. He gives an honest answer about making the change, with what they charge for those systems customers are expecting the best, and he get lit up. So stupid...nightforces don't track perfectly, only scope I know that does and does it consistently is tangent theta. BTW, there are a few people who have mentioned in passing on this thread that they had to send a nightforce back - that means there was a failure of some sort. The nightforce supporters just choose to ignore those posts. I better step away or I am going to get 30 to life