nightforce clarity

[jwp475]

I see what you are saying now, my opinion does not count since it is counter to what you want it to be. You only believe opinions that agree with you're preconceived opinion. What I see through my NXS scope is irrelevant. Ian McMurchy rated the NXS scopes better in the Optics department than US Optics and Scot Berish is not high on US Optics, but if some one says that Nightforce is below US Optics then you accept that Opinion

I must have 5 of the best Nightforce scope ever made, because they are a hell of a lot better than what you claim them to be.

 

[Pdvdh]

I see what you are saying now, my opinion does not count since it is counter to what you want it to be. You only believe opinions that agree with you're preconceived opinion. What I see through my NXS scope is irrelevant. Ian McMurchy rated the NXS scopes better in the Optics department than US Optics and Scot Berish is not high on US Optics, but if some one says that Nightforce is below US Optics then you accept that Opinion

I must have 5 of the best Nightforce scope ever made, because they are a hell of a lot better than what you claim them to be.

See whatever you wish to see about what I say (post). I'm on no mission to convert you to Sightron.

Either way you see it, I see that you finally got around to expressing yourself - and quite clearly at that. If you care about your opinion counting, you'll have to control your pride of ownership. I can't help it that Sightron's SIII scope is just as clear - optically - as your NF. Uhmmm... I mean your five NightForces. Blame Sightron - they manufacture them, not me.

Time to reverse the question which you previously posed to me... "Have you personaly compared them?"

You're awfully defensive of your NFs, and getting pretty offensive toward me. All that spent energy without having even looked through a Sightron, or at least not having admitted to it in this thread. I'm trying to be very understanding here, because if there was ever cause for a guy to be defensive about his brand of scope, it would HAVE to be that a guy owns "5 of the best Nightforce scope ever made".

Now that we've got that cleared up, why would you care about a Sightron SIII, a Premier Heritage, or any other brand of scope, if you couldn't be happier than owning 5 NightForces. If I was as delighted with "5 of the best Nightforce scope ever made" as you appear to be, I don't believe I would care less about the scope 'phorwath' uses, or what 'phorwath' says about Sightron or NightForce. Unless I had some doubts. Do you have doubts???

Maybe ss7mm's friend will purchase a SIII and you'll be more willing to accept the facts then that you're unable to now. That the SIII kicks butt at 1/2 the cost of your NF. Let me repeat - you can thank me later.

 

[ALMAORFE]

Optical clarity? My personal favorite has been a hensolt and the premier heritage but I don't own either. But they weren't really "better" than say a S&B or USO. As far as optical "clarity" goes I don't consider that a top priority when buying an rifle scope. Repeatability, repeatability, tracking and durability come first. All the high end scopes have great glass and as far as my expirience goes S&Bs and USOs and NFs have been spot on in keeping zero and box tests and all three are very durable. My S&B and USO have better glass than the NF but the NF I had was good enough to get the job done. I haven't tried every brand of scope but from all the ones I've tried I think the NF is tops in their price range. They meet all my requirements for a scope and have very few draw backs IMO. From what I've owned or own S&B and USO are the top tier and I believe the premier hertitage my next rifle will wear from what I've heard will be as well. I didn't get a chance to shoot through the Hensolt though I would have liked to and some knowledgable people say their top tier as well. I don't like Leupolds at all, I know alot of people really like them but the one I had was garbage. I like exposed turrets on my scopes so I don't have a need for the swaros and IMO their reticles are useless. Anyway thats MO on what I have expirience with. To the OP if your looking at a NF, for the price you can't beat it.

 

[jwp475]

No way you could have reviewed all those web links this quickly! That's not to say you're obligated to either. If I had unlimited financial resources, I wouldn't feel the need to read. I'd just buy scopes, compare them, toss the bad and keep the good over and over again until I was completely content.

I've looked through Nightforce but I've not had the opportunity to set a Nightforce up and compare in the field side by side with an SIII or IOR at the same time. That's why I said I'd like you (or someone who has access to these scopes) to compare them and get another opinion expressed. I've looked through a lot of different scopes but I'm not confident in my conclusions without being able to look through them side by side in the same outdoor conditions.

I've compared the SIII to IOR, to Zeiss Conquest, to Leupold LPS, to Leupold VX-3 - but never side by side to a Nightforce. My SIII to Nightforce comparison is based on the majority of comparison conclusions I've read placing IOR glass equal to or a tad ahead of Nightforce. So I compared my IOR to my SIII to reach my opinion and this field comparison is the basis for my comparison of the SIII to the Nightforce. I only have so much money to spend on scopes.

Scott Berish is one of many sources of information I've reviewed over the past 3 years. As a dealer, he looks through a lot of scopes. Many more than he uses in the field. My opinion isn't sole-sourced to Scott's blog or posts, although I respect his opinion because I've reached similar conclusions based upon my own independent optics tests.

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which leads me to believe jwp475 must have one of the better NightForce scopes ever manufactured:
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You're biased post says it all. By your own admission you admit not "personally comparing the 2 scopes in question and you have the nerve to talk down to me because I don't agree with your imaginary opinion. A piece of work for sure.
I wonder why Nightforce is the Dominate scope in Competition? I guess the S111 is top secret. I stand by my what I have seen with MY OWN EYES and that is that Nightforce Optical quality is no DOG like you claim it to be

 

[threethreeeight]

Hello gents
I hesitated for a short while before joining this thread.
I have a Swarovski 6x24x50,have owned it since 1995 and have taken many,many game animals and predators with it,both day and at night on the spotlight,legal in the U.K and New Zealand where I now live.it still has wonderful clarity and I love it,however when I looked at buying another,the price was a bit of a kicker and therefore I looked at a much cheaper option,a Nightforce NXS 5.5x22x56,slightly more glass on the big end,I purchased it in 2007.(as stated earlier,made in Japan).So far it has performed flawlessly on my 338LM,to the point where I am in the process of purchasing another,this time the big boy,NXS 12x42x56.I have the smaller NXS on my 25-06 now and love it's performance.(and by the way it looks very,very cool).the swarovski is on the shelf for a while until I work out which rifle to put it on.
Basically I don't think the small amount of extra clarity,if any (I can't tell the difference really) at dusk is worth the substantial difference in costs.
Regards.

 

[trueblue]

After purghasing my first Nightforce scope this past year, I see no reason to look any further. A Nightforce scope will do anything I will ever need done with a scope.

 

[Pdvdh]

You're biased post says it all. By your own admission you admit not "personally comparing the 2 scopes in question and you have the nerve to talk down to me because I don't agree with your imaginary opinion. A piece of work for sure.
I wonder why Nightforce is the Dominate scope in Competition? I guess the S111 is top secret. I stand by my what I have seen with MY OWN EYES and that is that Nightforce Optical quality is no DOG like you claim it to be

We get it. Yada yada yada... You're in love with NF. Good for you. I'm happy for ya! Yada yada yada.

Does yada yada yada equate to talking down? The only thing I admit to is a scope you've never looked through will be the equal or better - optically speaking - of your NF. But you should spend the money on what makes you happy and get over the lump of coal I've placed in your stocking.

I claimed NF was a Dog? Here it shows again. Pride of Brand/ownership can cloud the brain.

As far as being "a piece of work for sure", you're competing very effectively for that award. Keep it up - I'm sure you'rr capable of better than that? Being a man of few words, you should be able to express yourself in short order. No sense holding back. Try to re-capture some of that respect you're feeling has been lost. Let's shoot for some more reverse-progress.

I consider you correct on one matter so far - your opinion doesn't count - not to me.

 

[jwp475]

Tell me what difference did you see when you cokpared the 2?
Oh yea I forgott for a minute, you still haven't compared the 2 have you? Still just spout ing off some one else opion right?

You'ne got a ;pt pof merve the way you talk down to some one that doesn't share your opion about something that you have no expeirence with..

Tell us more about some one else opion that you have read. At least I have a Nightforce to look through , do you?

 

[davewilson]

jwp and phorwath, is the winter draggin on a bit long up there?

 

[Pdvdh]

Tell me what difference did you see when you cokpared the 2?
Oh yea I forgott for a minute, you still haven't compared the 2 have you? Still just spout ing off some one else opion right?

You'ne got a ;pt pof merve the way you talk down to some one that doesn't share your opion about something that you have no expeirence with..

Tell us more about some one else opion that you have read. At least I have a Nightforce to look through , do you?

More tit-for-tat. I have looked through Nightforce. I already stated that. I have said I don't own one as clearly as possible. Have you looked through Sightron SIII?

I haven't started talking down yet. You're doing enough of that for the both of us.

The closest thing I have to a Nightforce is my 30mm scope lapping bar.
Lighten up fella. Get a Sightron SIII and you'll see the light. You must have some serious doubts about how your NFs will stack up.

 

[Pdvdh]

jwp and phorwath, is the winter draggin on a bit long up there?

We've got as much winter left up here as you get altogether down there Dave! I can see that much - even looking through a NightForce.

 

[jwp475]

The only thing that I have serious doubts about is someone that owns neither scope making absolute statements about optical quality.
What I have said and will continue to say is " Nightforce optical clarity ia GOOD and compares favorable to my S & B scopes. If a S111 is better than a Nightforce it must be as good or better than a S&B and to believe that I would have to see it in a side by side comparison.

Have you looked through both scopes in a side by side comparison?

 

[Pdvdh]

The only thing that I have serious doubts about is someone that owns neither scope making absolute statements about optical quality.
What I have said and will continue to say is " Nightforce optical clarity ia GOOD and compares favorable to my S & B scopes. If a S111 is better than a Nightforce it must be as good or better than a S&B and to believe that I would have to see it in a side by side comparison.

Have you looked through both scopes in a side by side comparison?

I own a Sightron SIII. My statements pertain to the optical quality of that SIII. I've looked through NightForce but don't own one. I have two IORs. The SIII is optically as good as my IORs. That tells me it's the equal, or better than, the NightForce line of scopes with respect to optical clarity. What it tells you is up to you and you alone.

Boss Hoss is the one that says NF doesn't measure up to S&B, USO, or Zeiss. Go chew him out. Your NF might be better than his. Maybe Boss Hoss looked into the objective end of his NF. Maybe he got a NF 'second'.

I didn't say the SIII was a better target or competition scope than NF. I didn't say NF was cow dung. I didn't say the SIII was tougher than a NF. In fact I said many shooters migrate to NF for mechanical consistency and reliability. I said, and am saying, that the optical clarity of a the current SIII 6-24x50mm is as good or better than a NF NXS.

The most you can say is you don't know. Because you've never looked through a SIII, let alone compared it to a NF or ANY other scope.

I don't need to own a NF, S&B, or USO, because I'm not attempting to compare the relative optical quality of those three scopes. This all started because you were inquisitive as to which scopes outclass NF glass and cost less. Well, I've given you one, and you can't live with it.

If you wanted to know which scopes - regardless of cost - outclass NF glass, I could have quickly added USO, S&B, Swarovski, top end Zeiss, and Premier Heritage also.

The guy that started this thread asked about nightforce clarity. I think he already knew the NightForce was a good solid scope. He wanted to know if they also provided $1400 worth of resolution. They provide $1400 worth of features. Utmost optical resolution isn't the only, or even the primary, priority of Nightforce optics, or their customers. You've already seen that expressed by other posters saying the NF is good enough - optically - in there opinion. They aren't - by and large - saying NF excels above and beyond all others.

 

[jwp475]

Comparing a 3.5X15 NXS to a 4X16 S&B side by side, my eyes could see little difference between the two. That leaves a small window for the S111 to fit into or is it better than the S&B also?