New bullet maker that looks interesting

[Pdvdh]

In .308 caliber, Rich has a lot of experience with this design bullet. They can be very accurate, and they expand well at long range, slow velocity impacts. Positive, reliable expansion down to 1300 fps. At close range, high velocity impact, the large diameter Al tip will cause explosive expansion on impact. The entrance side of the animal can be pretty bloodied and gelled. Fired at high MV, I think most will like them better from 400-500 yds on out than any closer ranges. I've seen a brown bear shot with one of the HAT bullets, another similar bullet design. 265 gr from a .338 Edge at about 325 yds. The bullet came apart too much for my liking. At a longer yardage, lower impact velocity, it would have performed better.

The BC values of the W3P bullets will be shown to be over-estimated. The actual BC values should still be very good, compared to other .375 offerings available.

 

[MMERSS]

We now have in front of us what we have been demanding !

I think most have been asking for a good honest advertised product that will produce both the precision and accuracy (helped in this area by BC) required in a LR hunting and/or target bullet.

The product will sell and orders will be filled when positive confirmed LR reviews come forward.

 

[swager62]

Thanks to Swamplord for his kind post I have been making these bullets for about five years, in that period of time junked a lot of bullets, made some good ones. It takes a lot of work to develop a good bullet that said it also takes a good rifle and shooter to make it all work. I suspect the latter will be done on this site as there are the type of people here I call the Discriminating Shooter. Don't think I'M blowing smoke the average guy wont look twice at a bullet like this.

Al & John

 

[Deleted member 46119]

I put my order in for 300 grainers.

I am amazed at those that whined about availability that are now hiding behind "advertised BC" complaints to justify not following through.

Get off your internet arm chair shooter, reloader, hunter arse and get 'er done or get a new activity. gun)

 

[Deleted member 46119]

I think most have been asking for a good honest advertised product that will produce both the precision and accuracy (helped in this area by BC) required in a LR hunting and/or target bullet.

The product will sell and orders will be filled when positive confirmed LR reviews come forward.

Those who can, do.
Those who can't, teach.
Those who can't teach, .....

 

[elkcoast]

I missed the fact that you were shooting something in 8mm. This really limits your choices and I can see why you might be shooting the sierras. Normally, I would say A-Max, Berger, etc., but I don't think they even make them for the .323".......Rich

yep, limited choices at this time. I keep hoping that with the introduction of the 325 mag that more choices will become availabl, but I dearly love the 8mm mag. I've tried several other calibers since I got the 8mm in early 80's and always went back to it. It just seemed to fit and I could shoot it so well and naturally. I've tried almost every manufactured 8mm bullet except barnes triple shock. Do you know anything about those?

 

[MMERSS]

The term "can't hit the broad side of a door" came to reality one day. A 4' x 4' piece of plywood was missed while truing a profile on a much anticipated and talked about bullet. The advertised BC from the manufacturer and the trajectory produced from this "number" was significant in error enough to where the square footage of a door couldn't be hit. That particular bullet, the 210 ALR, is what has been talked about not only on occasion in this forum but additionally in multiple forums likewise.

Every dedicated long range marksman and hunter understands a BC in all likelihood will need to be adjusted from advertised to match their particular rifle and ammo profile. This is not a problem, that's what we do. The degree required with the adjustment causes concern not the act of having to make an adjustment!

Detail with every aspect associated with long range hunting is both a short and long term goal. Shouldn't the same be expected from our product manufacturers? Every person will make their own decision on what and where to invest to support these goals. Forums, like this, provide debate with the "why" to their decision.

For a bullet manufacturer it should be relatively straight forward to publish results from tests or provide those bullets for others to test. I believe this is where we stand today. Again, most fully understand adjustments will be required along the way. It's the severity to those adjustments that causes confidence and comfort or concern. What's the severity of adjustment anticipated? Minimal to none? Moderate? Severe? I have yet to review a report or review that leans toward one way or the other.


Recognized adjustments support goals. Unrecognized needed adjustments cause confusion and distrust. I'm confident John will be the first, now lets get some reviews out there!

 

[elkaholic]

yep, limited choices at this time. I keep hoping that with the introduction of the 325 mag that more choices will become availabl, but I dearly love the 8mm mag. I've tried several other calibers since I got the 8mm in early 80's and always went back to it. It just seemed to fit and I could shoot it so well and naturally. I've tried almost every manufactured 8mm bullet except barnes triple shock. Do you know anything about those?

I am not a big fan of the monos, but mostly because I am into long range. I am probably the wrong guy to ask this question, because I don't bother using them anymore. I know some gains have been made in this area, but as long as good cup and core bullets are available, I won't be using monos.........rich

 

[elkcoast]

I am not a big fan of the monos, but mostly because I am into long range. I am probably the wrong guy to ask this question, because I don't bother using them anymore. I know some gains have been made in this area, but as long as good cup and core bullets are available, I won't be using monos.........rich

Monos?? not sure what that is. And guess I'm not sure what you consider long range. I've not had to shoot much over 400 when hunting but I think the 220 grain Sierra will fly pretty good over long range. It still has over 1000 lbs of energy at 1000 yards.

 

[elkaholic]

Monos?? not sure what that is. And guess I'm not sure what you consider long range. I've not had to shoot much over 400 when hunting but I think the 220 grain Sierra will fly pretty good over long range. It still has over 1000 lbs of energy at 1000 yards.

Monolithic (formed from one solid material) in this case copper with no lead core. If you are only shooting 400 yards, the Barnes may work just fine for you. Also, if 400 yards is your goal, the 220 Sierra should work very well, and as you stated, even much farther.......Rich

 

[elkcoast]

Monolithic (formed from one solid material) in this case copper with no lead core. If you are only shooting 400 yards, the Barnes may work just fine for you. Also, if 400 yards is your goal, the 220 Sierra should work very well, and as you stated, even much farther.......Rich

I was under the impression that the Sierra Game King 220 grain in .323 was a lead core. It as a BC of .521. Like I said, I've not tested it at long range yet but I would like to. The ballistics seem to be acceptable for that.
Thanks for your input, it hels.

 

[elkaholic]

I was under the impression that the Sierra Game King 220 grain in .323 was a lead core. It as a BC of .521. Like I said, I've not tested it at long range yet but I would like to. The ballistics seem to be acceptable for that.
Thanks for your input, it hels.

The Sierra is a lead core. I was r to the Barnes being a mono......Rich

 

[Whiskey 3 Precision]

It's interesting to note that in the past few years there has been a whole lot of whining about the lack of long range type of projectiles in .375 caliber, some were even proclaiming they would build guns if ONLY there was such bullets available, Cutting Edge has provided us with proper bullets but most whined again, now it was about the length and cost of these bullets,
then we have guys complaining about bullets Hornady discontinued and Berger didn't make and Nosler exaggerated bc's and so on ,

a few months ago there were several threads on the need for new manufacturers offering improved bc bullets in 375, we even clashed on bullet weights and what 375 clan was more deserving, based on their favorite cartridges !

We now have in front of us what we have been demanding !
a new manufacturer offering the bullets we have been bitching about, and in bullet weights for every 375 cartridge that was discussed,

Where are you guys now ? How about some support in raising the minimum order in all bullet weights from 300 gr through 400 gr,
W3P even lowered their minimum order by 50% per weight to get this going.

I don't see Hornady, Berger or Nosler stepping up and helping us 375 shooters out, but rather a small outfit that heard our concerns and is willing to address them with a huge risk involved !

Some of you are concerned about the claimed bc values and that is a valid concern but I do not see anything out there even remotely close to being a long range type bullet in a jacketed lead core design for our 375 caliber guns,

I developed several 375 wildcats with the prospect of these types of bullets being available soon due to the popular discussions we have had here, that time is here now !

Great point once again Swamp Lord........All me and Al are hearing is pass and moan....grip...bitching and naysay! Then repeat......

until any of you guys have some of our stuff in your hands the intelligent thing would be to go buy a small order and test them yourself
For Christmas sake Darrell Buell even did that a few days ago and he's the kind of guy we want!

I get calls everyday from guys doing write ups on different forums and happy tickled pink clients thattell us we are helping them aachieve things they have never seen before and just got another callfrom an F class shooter in Alaska yesterday afternoon that was so jubilant he is coming to see me personally really soon!

We are small but growing faster than I could ever imagine......we are also accommodating you guys for things you don't have in a projectile and none of the big dogs will provide.

Show some support...and a little respect for us and be pro active!

We love all you guys to death but keep it simple stupid here!

Happy Father's Day to all the Dads on here and keep shooting straight!!

 

[Whiskey 3 Precision]

It's interesting to note that in the past few years there has been a whole lot of whining about the lack of long range type of projectiles in .375 caliber, some were even proclaiming they would build guns if ONLY there was such bullets available, Cutting Edge has provided us with proper bullets but most whined again, now it was about the length and cost of these bullets,
then we have guys complaining about bullets Hornady discontinued and Berger didn't make and Nosler exaggerated bc's and so on ,

a few months ago there were several threads on the need for new manufacturers offering improved bc bullets in 375, we even clashed on bullet weights and what 375 clan was more deserving, based on their favorite cartridges !

We now have in front of us what we have been demanding !
a new manufacturer offering the bullets we have been bitching about, and in bullet weights for every 375 cartridge that was discussed,

Where are you guys now ? How about some support in raising the minimum order in all bullet weights from 300 gr through 400 gr,
W3P even lowered their minimum order by 50% per weight to get this going.

I don't see Hornady, Berger or Nosler stepping up and helping us 375 shooters out, but rather a small outfit that heard our concerns and is willing to address them with a huge risk involved !

Some of you are concerned about the claimed bc values and that is a valid concern but I do not see anything out there even remotely close to being a long range type bullet in a jacketed lead core design for our 375 caliber guns,

I developed several 375 wildcats with the prospect of these types of bullets being available soon due to the popular discussions we have had here, that time is here now !

Great point once again Swamp Lord........All me and Al are hearing is pass and moan....grip...bitching and naysay! Then repeat......

until any of you guys have some of our stuff in your hands the intelligent thing would be to go buy a small order and test them yourself
For Christmake Darrell Buell even did that a few days ago and he's the kind of guy we want!

I get calls everyday from guys doing write ups on different forums and happy tickled pink clients thattell us we are helping them aachieve things they have never seen before and just got another callfrom an F class shooter in Alaska yesterday afternoon that was so jubilant he is coming to see me personally really soon!

We are small but growing faster than I could ever imagine......we are also accommodating you guys for things you don't have in a projectile and none of the big dogs will provide.

Show some support...and a little respect for us and be pro active!

We love all you guys to death but keep it simple stupid here!

Happy Father's Day to all the Dads on here and keep shooting straight!!