New 7mm cartridge from Federal

[Starbuck]

Your forgetting Federals first try, the mighty 338 Federal. You remember, 308 performance with twice the recoil. You Can still find ammo for that one cause the first box that ever hit any store shelves is still there. Federal does have some of the very best factory ammo options, but maybe cartridge development should be left to ANYONE else.

I know a couple guys that bought them. I think it's was more for collector value because I don't think either actually uses them. They are both big 338 guys.

 

[Starbuck]

Overall, I get what Federal is doing, but I have some reservations about being convinced that it's a sure winner that'll be around for the long haul.

Foremost would be the trend of going smaller that seems to be taking hold in shooting and hunting circles. A lot of folks realized that they don't necessarily need large bullets at "magnum" velocities to effectively kill game, even at longer ranges. Similarly, not too long ago max velocity extended MPBR, making it easier to hit accurately at longer, estimated distances. With LRF's and reliable dialing scopes, velocity doesn't count for as much. As such, it seems the new BC is maybe 10- 15 years behind the curve, which, in all honesty, and as much as I love .284's, the 7 PRC is also suffering a little from; that level of performance with bullets of that size is just more than most situations need most of the time.

There's the cost and availability factor. If there's only one source for ammo and it's pricy and it cant yet be easily reloaded, it's not going to be attractive to a lot of higher volume shooters. Likewise, if the reloading process and accessories are proprietary, I can't see a lot of hand loaders being quick to switch over to gain a bit of velocity that may or may not actually make a difference in r eal world outcomes.

And then there's the fact that many gun owners, myself included, have recently bought one or several of the PRC's, ARC's, Dashers, 6 CM's, etc., which had been the latest in cartridge design to this point. I suspect that many won't be so fast to get something that's only marginally different in performance, even if it gets to the same end point by what turns out to be a better route.

I have more concerns, but I'm out of time!

 

[azshooter270]

I was pretty happy with the 22-250 the .243 the 257 the 6.5x55 the 270 the 7RM the 3006 the 300WM and the 338WM.

I didn't know they weren't good enough, but they weren't, apparently. That's what they told me. I needed more power and then I needed them shorter.

So imagine my relief to get the RUMs the WSMs the WSSMs and the SAUMs.

Then there were fewer 22-250s and .243s and 257s and 6.5x55s and 270s and 7RMs and 3006s and 300WMs and 338WMs guns and ammo available 'cause the machinery and the racks and the shelves only have so much capacity.

I didn't know they weren't good enough, but they weren't either, apparently. That's what they told me. I needed them with faster twists and longer bullets and heavier weights.

So imagine my relief to get the Creedmore's and the PRCs.

Then there were fewer 22-250s and .243s and 257s and 6.5x55s and 270s and 7RMs and 3006s and 300WMs and 338WMs and RUMs and WSMs and WSSMs and SAUMs guns and ammo available 'cause the machinery and the racks and the shelves only have so much capacity.

I didn't know they weren't good enough, but they weren't either, apparently. Now that's what they tell me. I need them with shorter barrels.

So imagine my relief now to get the Backcountry(ies).

Meanwhile at my LGS, the options for types and prices and weights or any at all for 22-250 the .243 the 257 the 6.5x55 the 270 the 7RM the 3006 the 300WM the 338WM the WSM the WSSM the SAUM are getting pretty slim.

I wonder what I'll need next?

 

[Starbuck]

I was pretty happy with the 22-250 the .243 the 257 the 6.5x55 the 270 the 7RM the 3006 the 300WM and the 338WM.

I didn't know they weren't good enough, but they weren't, apparently. That's what they told me. I needed more power and then I needed them shorter.

So imagine my relief to get the RUMs the WSMs the WSSMs and the SAUMs.

Then there were fewer 22-250s and .243s and 257s and 6.5x55s and 270s and 7RMs and 3006s and 300WMs and 338WMs guns and ammo available 'cause the machinery and the racks and the shelves only have so much capacity.

I didn't know they weren't good enough, but they weren't either, apparently. That's what they told me. I needed them with faster twists and longer bullets and heavier weights.

So imagine my relief to get the Creedmore's and the PRCs.

Then there were fewer 22-250s and .243s and 257s and 6.5x55s and 270s and 7RMs and 3006s and 300WMs and 338WMs and RUMs and WSMs and WSSMs and SAUMs guns and ammo available 'cause the machinery and the racks and the shelves only have so much capacity.

I didn't know they weren't good enough, but they weren't either, apparently. Now that's what they tell me. I need them with shorter barrels.

So imagine my relief now to get the Backcountry(ies).

Meanwhile at my LGS, the options for types and prices and weights or any at all for 22-250 the .243 the 257 the 6.5x55 the 270 the 7RM the 3006 the 300WM the 338WM the WSM the WSSM the SAUM are getting pretty slim.

I wonder what I'll need next?

Well done.

 

[tomcat818]

I was pretty happy with the 22-250 the .243 the 257 the 6.5x55 the 270 the 7RM the 3006 the 300WM and the 338WM.

I didn't know they weren't good enough, but they weren't, apparently. That's what they told me. I needed more power and then I needed them shorter.

So imagine my relief to get the RUMs the WSMs the WSSMs and the SAUMs.

Then there were fewer 22-250s and .243s and 257s and 6.5x55s and 270s and 7RMs and 3006s and 300WMs and 338WMs guns and ammo available 'cause the machinery and the racks and the shelves only have so much capacity.

I didn't know they weren't good enough, but they weren't either, apparently. That's what they told me. I needed them with faster twists and longer bullets and heavier weights.

So imagine my relief to get the Creedmore's and the PRCs.

Then there were fewer 22-250s and .243s and 257s and 6.5x55s and 270s and 7RMs and 3006s and 300WMs and 338WMs and RUMs and WSMs and WSSMs and SAUMs guns and ammo available 'cause the machinery and the racks and the shelves only have so much capacity.

I didn't know they weren't good enough, but they weren't either, apparently. Now that's what they tell me. I need them with shorter barrels.

So imagine my relief now to get the Backcountry(ies).

Meanwhile at my LGS, the options for types and prices and weights or any at all for 22-250 the .243 the 257 the 6.5x55 the 270 the 7RM the 3006 the 300WM the 338WM the WSM the WSSM the SAUM are getting pretty slim.

I wonder what I'll need next?

Marketing\Money make the world go round!

 

[KyCarl]

I'll pass on that junk!

 

[Quintus]

I was pretty happy with the 22-250 the .243 the 257 the 6.5x55 the 270 the 7RM the 3006 the 300WM and the 338WM.

I didn't know they weren't good enough, but they weren't, apparently. That's what they told me. I needed more power and then I needed them shorter.

So imagine my relief to get the RUMs the WSMs the WSSMs and the SAUMs.

Then there were fewer 22-250s and .243s and 257s and 6.5x55s and 270s and 7RMs and 3006s and 300WMs and 338WMs guns and ammo available 'cause the machinery and the racks and the shelves only have so much capacity.

I didn't know they weren't good enough, but they weren't either, apparently. That's what they told me. I needed them with faster twists and longer bullets and heavier weights.

So imagine my relief to get the Creedmore's and the PRCs.

Then there were fewer 22-250s and .243s and 257s and 6.5x55s and 270s and 7RMs and 3006s and 300WMs and 338WMs and RUMs and WSMs and WSSMs and SAUMs guns and ammo available 'cause the machinery and the racks and the shelves only have so much capacity.

I didn't know they weren't good enough, but they weren't either, apparently. Now that's what they tell me. I need them with shorter barrels.

So imagine my relief now to get the Backcountry(ies).

Meanwhile at my LGS, the options for types and prices and weights or any at all for 22-250 the .243 the 257 the 6.5x55 the 270 the 7RM the 3006 the 300WM the 338WM the WSM the WSSM the SAUM are getting pretty slim.

I wonder what I'll need next?

You make a great point, but. There are diamonds that come from each generation. Funny thing is Roy had it all figured out by the mid 60s with diamonds in every caliber with the exception of a 6.5 and a better .224. Especially with todays powders his case capacities are the sweet spot for all his originals. IMHO.

 

[3800fps]

I was pretty happy with the 22-250 the .243 the 257 the 6.5x55 the 270 the 7RM the 3006 the 300WM and the 338WM.

I didn't know they weren't good enough, but they weren't, apparently. That's what they told me. I needed more power and then I needed them shorter.

So imagine my relief to get the RUMs the WSMs the WSSMs and the SAUMs.

Then there were fewer 22-250s and .243s and 257s and 6.5x55s and 270s and 7RMs and 3006s and 300WMs and 338WMs guns and ammo available 'cause the machinery and the racks and the shelves only have so much capacity.

I didn't know they weren't good enough, but they weren't either, apparently. That's what they told me. I needed them with faster twists and longer bullets and heavier weights.

So imagine my relief to get the Creedmore's and the PRCs.

Then there were fewer 22-250s and .243s and 257s and 6.5x55s and 270s and 7RMs and 3006s and 300WMs and 338WMs and RUMs and WSMs and WSSMs and SAUMs guns and ammo available 'cause the machinery and the racks and the shelves only have so much capacity.

I didn't know they weren't good enough, but they weren't either, apparently. Now that's what they tell me. I need them with shorter barrels.

So imagine my relief now to get the Backcountry(ies).

Meanwhile at my LGS, the options for types and prices and weights or any at all for 22-250 the .243 the 257 the 6.5x55 the 270 the 7RM the 3006 the 300WM the 338WM the WSM the WSSM the SAUM are getting pretty slim.

I wonder what I'll need next?

I too, lie awake wondering what trophy animal or first place ribbon will I have forfeited if I had only used a 7mmBC instead….

A shoulder fired 1.21 jiggawatt laser matter decimator with 0.0 locktime/time-of-flight anti-gravity flex trajectory with auto target acquisition and target tracking might interest me….work on that Federal.

 

[fseaman.js]

A shoulder fired 1.21 jiggawatt laser matter decimator with 0.0 locktime/time-of-flight anti-gravity flex trajectory with auto target acquisition and target tracking

But you can't have it unless you pull up to your LGS in a EV converted DeLorean with your 6.5 Needmore in the window gun rack.

 

[WYO300RUM]

I don't understand all the Hate and sarcasm. Nobody is forcing anybody to buy anything. I don't care if it's Federal, Hornady, whoever. It's American enginuity, invention, competition. I don't see China , Russia, whoever I inventing new cartridges, rifles, powder , whatever. Let alone a car or truck , rifle, etc..
Keep buying that Chinese junk and supporting the Red army.
Checking out of this thread. Getting redundant.

 

[fseaman.js]

I don't understand all the Hate and sarcasm.

I don't see much hate. I do see plenty of sarcasm. Why would that be?

Sarcasm based on skepticism because "we" have been promised so many things that never materialized.

Marketing department's job is to create desire driven sales. No morals, if the product actually does not live up to promises, meh. No liability if it is down right dangerous. Not saying the new 7mmBC is going to be any of those things.

Federal is guilty of not living up to promises before. Foreign ownership is another red flag against taking everything in marketing materials as gospel rather than with a pound of salt.

So, big claims get big skepticism and that begets sarcasm and being the receiver of jokes.

 

[WYO300RUM]

Most could use their brain. If doesn't sound safe or good to them then wait and see. I'm sure Fereral has done their testing if not, they have problems. I'm not interested in the cartridge at all. I don't shoot short barrels or cans. I have to get my velocity gains from powders and barrel lengths. I'm already deaf. As far as marketing, common sense I guess. You're correct on foreign ownership. If Federal is foreign owned then I totally agree. I know some of their ammo is made in Mexico.
Maybe hate was too harsh ?
I was apprehensive about posting. I should of listened to my first thought...
Thanks for your contribution

 

[Turpentine21]

They claim normal barrel life but I don't understand how pressures in 80k range will not accelerate throat erosion.

I'm with you. Very hard to believe barrel life won't suffer.

 

[liber]

I'm already deaf.

Agree 100%, and looking forward to suppressors coming off the NFA. Will it happen? I don't know about me, CA doesn't currently allow an NFA tax stamp, so as long as suppressors are on the NFA I'm not sure that will happen.

We should all be hunting with suppressors, it should be the norm.

I do think your previous post was spot on. America is where innovation happens, in many things, and cartridges seem to be one of them. For people that don't care for that, there's plenty of existing cartridges. I doubt you'll throw your RUM rifles away, and neither will my friend. I wouldn't be surprised if he buys more of them. His 17 year old shoots a RUM,

Happy hunting!