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My ultralight timber stick - building a 4 lb rifle

What my old supervisor called "violent agreement" hardly meets the threshold of trolling. Since you've likely pushed "ignore" you won't see this.
But since You want to make a personal issue of it, my comments about reported weight were not directed at anyone in particular.

Happy now?
 
I like reading what others are using for components.....I think this rifle would cover 90% of my realistic hunting and would be a pleasure to carry! I do know it's extremely easy to go over vs come in under! I built a 9.3x62 awhile back, hoping for 7.5-8# all in, it came in about 9, but I left barrel longer for balance and the wood stock for looks. Overall I'm happy with it but if I carry it all day (which is rare) I start thinking about this type of build you're talking about!
 
I like reading what others are using for components.....I think this rifle would cover 90% of my realistic hunting and would be a pleasure to carry! I do know it's extremely easy to go over vs come in under! I built a 9.3x62 awhile back, hoping for 7.5-8# all in, it came in about 9, but I left barrel longer for balance and the wood stock for looks. Overall I'm happy with it but if I carry it all day (which is rare) I start thinking about this type of build you're talking about!
Ya, after putting together a few rifles, your absolutely right. You almost always end up heavier.....it's harder than people think to make a specific weight, everything needs to be accounted for cuz it adds up quick!

Ya, it's gonna be a while for this build, but once it's done, I'm sure it will be a favorite. I'll still go for my other builds for my high country mule deer, desert pronghorn and big country elk hunts, but for a leisurely stroll through the woods, this will be THE rifle ha ha.
 
Another option I had heard about.....they are out of Canada aren't they? Or am I thinking someone else?
MPI is based in Vancouver, Washington according to their site. You might be thinking of wildcat composites. They stopped shipping to the states from Canada, last I heard.
 
Another option I had heard about.....they are out of Canada aren't they? Or am I thinking someone else?
You might be thinking of Wildcat Composites. I have one on a 6.5x47. It took some work to finish it, but it turned out good. Thought I heard they stopped shipping to the states. They do make some light stocks.
 
I don't think I will be quite as low as you but I'm going AnTi, 20" 260 and 308 carbon barrel, LRH stock, and March 1.5-15
 
So this is going to take a while (couple years likely) to finish, as I really don't "need" this rifle, and it's also going to be a niche rifle as well. Either way though, every rifle I build has an intended purpose......and the following will be this one's.

I hunt a few different ways, usually I'm spot/shoot or spot/stalking from high vantage points, in rough country. I usually start out the year however, with archery, but I really don't put in a ton of effort on that. Other times though, especially now that my kids are wanting to go with me more, I find myself sneaking through the timber quietly, teaching them the ways of the woods, how to stalk, how to be quiet, how to navigate, and how to listen. While this is usually not as successful as high point glassing, I still find it very exciting, and love that my kids seem to enjoy it too, as we're constantly doing something.

I don't need this rifle to be extremely light, but it also doesn't need to be heavy. I look back at all my harvests with these kinds of hunts, and the farthest shot I can recall is a 250 yard shot across a meadow, with the average range being under 100 yards. So magnum power, or heavy rifle stability just isn't needed. Arguably, extreme accuracy isn't "needed" either, though I have my bets this one will shoot quite well for what it will be. What is important, is being quick and nimble handling, and having good pointability. Every animal I harvested hunting this way was taken within seconds of seeing it, often while they were moving. And, as I may be covering lot's of distance, I want it light, and also, just because, no other real good reason there ha ha. So, I might as well make it extreme in some fashion ha ha.

So, on to the build itself. Here will be the components, and the weights -

Manners MCS-UC, 13" LOP, ADL repeater - ~20 oz roughly with pillars, action screws, aluminum trigger gaurd and light bedding.

Pierce Skele-TI, left hand short action, .308 bolt face - ~ 15.9 oz

Rock creek #1 sporter contour, cut at 18", short shanked. Still undecided on what chambering, bore diameter could change it slightly.... - ~ 1 lb 15 oz

ADL mag box, spring and follower - ~ 4 oz estimated

Trigger Tech diamond - ~ 3 oz

This comes out to right at 4 lbs 10 oz for the bare rifle, maybe an oz or two more.

Tally rings - 3.5 oz

? SWFA SS 2.5-10 - 9.5 oz

So with that scope, would add 13 oz, putting it at 5 lbs 7 oz, unloaded, add about 3-4oz for 4 rounds of something like .243, .260, 6.5 creed, 7mm-08 or maybe .308. Then a sling like a skinny nylon sling, still under 6 lbs.

I will probably run a monolithic bullet of some flavor in it for hunting, as all shots will likely be close, and it will mainly be for elk. It is not going to be threaded, and no muzzle device, and I want to avoid magnum calibers for the sake of easier recoil in this ultra light, and also so I can have a very short shanked barrel. Right now I'm thinking .260ai, 6.5 creed, or 7mm-08. Any would kill elk splendidly inside 400ish yards this rifle will be designated for.

I think this would be super handy, and make a nice timber rifle. At this point, all I got is the Manners stock on order, thanks to their 20% off black Friday sale ha ha. I will update this thread slowly as it progresses, but it will be a fun process!
Remington Model 7 would be a good starting point, or ending point.
 
Wildcat Composites is out of Canada, he can't ship to the US anymore because his insurance wouldn't cover him if he did. But if you know someone up there or ask a Canadian member on this site to buy and mail it to you it's legal, I think they are $450 US. I believe the Ultralight SA Rem 700 footprints finish up around 19oz and the tikka footprints finish up around 17oz. MPI is the only one I've heard of that would be a few oz lighter than your Manners.

I called MPI and Wildcat about a year ago because I was wanting to do a build like this. If I remember right the MPI finishes about the same as the wildcat after pillars, bedding and pad. MPI did say you could take off a few extra oz to get it to finish around 14-15oz. I can't remember what she called it but if they didn't add something that goes over and protects the foam you can get it that light. I think your good with the manners though myself. Your saving a lot of weight with your action choice and when you finish a stock at 14oz your balance point will be shifted forward more and strength might be a concern.

I just picked up a wildcat tikka stock from the classifieds. With the coating, pillars, bedding, half inch spacer, and the heavy thicker but pad ( probably ~4oz) it weighs 21 oz
I decided instead of using a custom ultra light action I would just use a tikka although it's heavier. Just more economical price wise for me but would love to have the Pierce action.

Right now with my 16" 243win t3 lite in the wildcat stock with Ti lug it's 5lbs 7oz bare rifle with factory bm 3rd mag. I shoot moly'd 55gr BT at 3625fps for coyotes. And just started using the 88gr sledge hammers at 3000 fps on hogs.

Once I change out the stock but pad and take the spacer out and drop a 16" t3 super light 308win in the stock with a lighter bolt handle, fluted bolt and lighter barrel due to the fluting and larger bore size it should drop it to ~4lbs 14oz

Scoped with vx3 2-8x36 ultralight and talleys
5lbs 8oz

Scoped with TBAC ultra 5
6lbs 2oz

The pierce action is 14-15oz lighter than the tikka so you should finish out 5lbs or under scoped rifle.

7-08 or 308 sound like good choices to me. I've also been thinking about getting a leupold vx freedom 1.5-4x20mm with MOA ring reticle at 9oz. With these low end ultralight optics that likely won't track well I want a reticle for hold overs.

I've only had this wildcat stock for a short period of time so still getting used to it. Looking forward to seeing what you come up with and your thoughts on the shoot ability of a rifle platform this light.
 

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