most accurate out of the box factory rifle?

[rscott5028]

Re: Most accurate out of the box

I am showing my age but if you can find one at a gun show the Kleingunther rifles were guaranteed by the factory to shoot 1/2 min.They were American made in Texas.

Actually, Bob Kleinguenther and Phil Koehne just imported the rifles from Voere in Voehrenbach Germany, accurized them in Seguin, TX and sold them under the Kleinguenther name until Voere sold to Mauser who later went bankrupt.

My dad bought 7 in the early 70's and they all shot 1/2" at 100yds with off the shelf Hornady Frontier 30-06 168g boat tails. (all but 2 which are new and unfired)

Phil later bought out his partner and rebranded as KDF and now sells Blaser which are very accurate switch barrel rifles albeit pricey compared to Savage or Remington Sendero.

 

[noneck180]

From what I have owned..XR-100, Sendero and Tikka Varmint/Super. Aslo for rimfire my Finnfires shoot well. These two pics are from my Tikka 204 Ruger and 6.5 Swede..with less than 10 shots fired.

 

[Trickymissfit]

My friend owns a gun shop in East NC along the VA line. He has a sight in service that many people bring in their rifles and my hunting buddy does all the sighting in work. I go over and spend 30 days during deer season and I go with him to the range around 3 mornings a week and we take anywhere from 3 to a dozen rifles at a time. We take almost all the new guns sold in the shop. Both of us will attest that over all the Remington 700 has been the most accurate rifles out of the box with the Savage with the accu-trigger a close second. On occasion you will find one or two other makes individual rifles that will really shoot but over all the Remington 700 takes the top.

plus they like the big price mark up you get with a Remington to help fill their pockets. Face it they're a "used to be."
glt

 

[Trickymissfit]

remington 40x; then remington sendero or winchester laredo.

a Remington 40X is not a production rifle. All are built in their custom shop, and they still won't run with the big dogs
gary

 

[roninflag]

how about a sako 6ppc. single shot?? sako 6ppc repeater?

 

[rscott5028]

I don't own any of the following, but they are reputed to be very accurate out of the box...

Steyr SSG
Sako TRG
Blaser Tactical 2
Anschutz (22lr)

 

[Trickymissfit]

I don't own any of the following, but they are reputed to be very accurate out of the box...

Steyr SSG
Sako TRG
Blaser Tactical 2
Anschutz (22lr)

I've shot the Sako in 6PPC with the set trigger. Nice rifle with a fantastic trigger. A good solid mid three's gun. On the otherhand I've seen out of the box Savage 12BVSS rifles shoot in the mid twos (several). I saw a 6BR Savage shoot low two's and high ones on a regular basis last year
gary

 

[rscott5028]

I've shot the Sako in 6PPC with the set trigger. Nice rifle with a fantastic trigger. A good solid mid three's gun. On the otherhand I've seen out of the box Savage 12BVSS rifles shoot in the mid twos (several). I saw a 6BR Savage shoot low two's and high ones on a regular basis last year
gary

I don't question that. Those are all nice shooters.

But, the problem with polls like this is that there is going to be more variability within any given product line than there is across a couple of the top picks.

One guy may get a Sendero that shoots 1/2 MOA with some particular ammo/load and another may get one that shoots 1.2 MOA.

The same could happen with Savage or any of the specialty models as well.

And, does it count against Rem if the guy that got 1.2 MOA just didn't try the right ammo? Or, if he had to tweak his trigger or grind down the front sling swivel stud because it was touching the barrel?

Does it count if another guy shot a 3 shot group that was .2 MOA and never fired the gun again?

At best, we get to see what's popular.

 

[Moman]

I don't question that. Those are all nice shooters.

But, the problem with polls like this is that there is going to be more variability within any given product line than there is across a couple of the top picks.

One guy may get a Sendero that shoots 1/2 MOA with some particular ammo/load and another may get one that shoots 1.2 MOA.

The same could happen with Savage or any of the specialty models as well.

And, does it count against Rem if the guy that got 1.2 MOA just didn't try the right ammo? Or, if he had to tweak his trigger or grind down the front sling swivel stud because it was touching the barrel?

Does it count if another guy shot a 3 shot group that was .2 MOA and never fired the gun again?

At best, we get to see what's popular.

Well said.

 

[hotdog]

I know allot of people here don't like them,but my vote goes to the Mossberg 4x4.I have one in a 25-06 and it shoots **** good.

 

[Trickymissfit]

I've seen Savage bolt action shot guns shoot deer slugs under an inch (three shot groups) at 100 yards. Actually several do this. I've only seen one other shotgun do this, and it was a TarHunt that had five times the price tag for similar groups. I'm just using this as an example.

But if we all went to the gun shop, and each of us bought a .308 rifle and a 10x scope for it. Odds are that the tightest groups will come out of a Savage. Nothing new as it's been that way for almost 25 years. When you drop down to small bores the spread between the brands simply grows wider. You look at this board, and the responses. The Savage replys are way more frequent than the others. Do you think the posters ran out and recruted folks?

Twenty years ago I participated in a postal shooting match. Five targets with five shot groups at 100 yards. Any bore size. The groups were broken down into three catagories. Custom, factory (with light mods being OK), and rimfire. I shot a modded factory rifle and two rim fire rifles (541 and a Marlin). I knew I'd do well in the rimfires, and thought I'd be OK in the centerfire factory guns. I came in third and fourth with the rimfires. The winner was a true bench gun, and I'm still stunned about the Marlin that came in second place. I placed third in the factory rifles with a savage 112BVS-S in 22-250. The gun that won was a factory Savage 112BT with a lot of trigger work, and better optics. The next rifle was another Savage similar to mine, but in .223. To be exact the top four rifles were Savages; followed by a couple Remingtons. The custom bracket was won by a bench gun using a Stolle action in 6PPC (over all winner as well) The next rifle in the custom group was a Wichita in .222, and a couple 40X's after that. I came in right behind the Wichita,(over all group size) and the two Savages above me were second and third (the winner shot groups in the very low ones). But the big let down was that my little Marlin didn't win! The Marlin that beat me was a true factory bolt gun, and mine was the custom single shot rifle they used in the Olympics. I also thought the 541 would be right up there as well with it printing low eights and mid sevens all the time. Nope! Where I'm getting to here is that there's a new big dog in town, and somewhere else another big dog is waiting to make his move.
gary

 

[dgr416]

My most accurate rifles are my 338-378 Weatherby accumark it averages.5 with all the loads I like have shot quite a few .25 groups at 100 yards and a few 1" groups at 300 yards.My Ruger Model 77 s are next.My stainless 77 338 wm has shot 3/4" at 200 yards a ton of times.All my Ruger 338s shoot near an inch at 200 yards .Next is my Win Model 70 with a boss it shoots 1" at 200 yards.

 

[TnTom]

I have issues with my Savages (12BVSS) once I bed things get right. Issues with poorly milled stock inlet and with some work they do fine. Out of the box they're....crap shooters.

Rugers M77's great, I've one flat bolt that has had over 2000 rounds down the tube and it shoots in the 3's since day one (bedded the re-cold lug and floated the barrel) and it still shot the same. Hard to complain.

Mod 70's pre 64 I have a .375H/H that does easy <5's.

The best? Which ever one gets the job done I'd sure love to own a Cooper. I think any of the top 10 can shoot under .5 with some minor tweaking, bed the recoil lug, and find the right load. The technology today has really brought us some great shooters at some pretty fair prices.

 

[Trickymissfit]

I have issues with my Savages (12BVSS) once I bed things get right. Issues with poorly milled stock inlet and with some work they do fine. Out of the box they're....crap shooters.

Rugers M77's great, I've one flat bolt that has had over 2000 rounds down the tube and it shoots in the 3's since day one (bedded the re-cold lug and floated the barrel) and it still shot the same. Hard to complain.

Mod 70's pre 64 I have a .375H/H that does easy <5's.

The best? Which ever one gets the job done I'd sure love to own a Cooper. I think any of the top 10 can shoot under .5 with some minor tweaking, bed the recoil lug, and find the right load. The technology today has really brought us some great shooters at some pretty fair prices.

you must own stock in Ruger! I've owned three or four and between my brother and we've been thru eight or nine. Other that two six millimeter guns, the best one shot 3/4" groups at 100 yards with hand loads. There was one #1 as well that shot in the sixes. The two 6mm guns were rebedded (Ruger's design is the absolute worst in the fire arms industry). One shot 3.38" groups out of the box (fantastic accuracey), and the other was a good solid 1 1/4" gun. The first Ruger was completely (as in 98%) rebuilt. It shot 3/8th" groups when he got done with it. The other shot 3/4" groups

Savage stocks are inletted wrong (bad job?)? Last time I heard their stocks were inletted on a CNC machine. I've owned three laminated stock ones similar to what you had, and not any serious problem (I did go ahead and pillar bed a 112 as an experiment). To be exact the worst groups any of the three have shot right out of the box was about .60", and I had one that shot in the high twos with an occassional dip into the high ones. Can't get there with a Ruger or a Winchester, and there's been a lot of money spent trying to get there.
gary