I know you kinda got beat up and I didn't read the whole thread, so I'm going to ask you a question. Bear with me, say you weren't handicapped in a way that would prevent you from using a compound bow. Do you think that using a X-bow would give you an advantage over using a compound?
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Montana x-bows illegal
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Funny you say that because MT doesn't allow more than 80% let-off anyway. Montana hunting laws are pretty traditional and I don't thing they're changing anytime soon.
I have nothing against crossbows. Never once did I say that I did. What I don't appreciate is the way you worded your first post with a cocky attitude stating you might come at our state with a lawsuit because your feelings were hurt and thought we were discriminating against you. That's what I have a problem with! That is nothing more than a typical liberal left wing approach and we will not stand for it!
If you want to go about trying to get a law changed in a civil manner and can convince the majority of resident Montanans to agree with your proposal and attend FWP meetings to give input and attempt to get it implemented into our regulations then I don't have a problem with that. That way it becomes a decision for Montana made by Montanans.
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We really don't need hunters bashing hunters. I can appreciate the fact that MOST states let disabled people use a crossbow during archery season. It hasn't always been that way.
A cross bow is superior to a compound bow. Yes, with enough practice, a person with a compound bow can probably out shoot a cross bow. But most people don't have the time or ambition to shoot that much. It's also a challenge to draw a bow when eye to eye with your prey,and that challenge is the biggest advantage of the cross bow. Regardless, we can't afford to fight among ourselves, we have enough problems with the antis without fighting each other.
A cross bow is superior to a compound bow. Yes, with enough practice, a person with a compound bow can probably out shoot a cross bow. But most people don't have the time or ambition to shoot that much. It's also a challenge to draw a bow when eye to eye with your prey,and that challenge is the biggest advantage of the cross bow. Regardless, we can't afford to fight among ourselves, we have enough problems with the antis without fighting each other.
I have never been to Montana. I have handicapped plates but never park in handicap parking spaces because I know there are people that need it more. It just bothers me when people from another state try to tell a state they are "guests" how to do things. You re a guest, behave like a guest and respects the rules. Want to change the rules? Move there and change them. Its my opinion. Not just about hunting, its about any subject.
My whole point has nothing to do with Montana at all just the thought there is a HUGE disparity between compounds and crossbows. Every bowhunter I know has kills out to 40+ which is not atypical for a "bowhunter". If you west you are definitely killing at distance. The skill level need has decreased with improved shootability of compounds, arrow technology and of course broadheads. Lets not kid ourselves compounds are string and cedar arrows.
This is a true statement to date and exactly what Montanans decided for at this time. Out of staters DOES NOT make decisions for Montana, just like Montanans DOES NOT make decisions for Minnesota. As previously noted, I am a disabled veteran with 3 volumes of medical records for my 20+ military service, and I can easily get a doctor's permit. Still, it is not the current Montana law. In addition, I had carpal nerve release and cubital nerve release surgeries on my left hand in March and rotator cuff surgery on my right shoulder in June. You will not hear me use this excuse for not being able to bow hunt. This is NOT about me, and I need to adapt to Montana's current laws/regs; I do NOT expect Montana to change because of me. BTW, no one is unsympathetic to your current physical/health condition.
This is a false and unwarranted accusation.
Do you want support from fellow bowhunters? This is definitely NOT the best way to go about it.
Do you want to help change current Montana laws/regs on crossbow use during archery season? This is definitely NOT the best way to go about it.
I have traveled, hunted, and lived in various states and countries, and every time I come home to Montana, I get a better appreciation of the Big Sky Country just the way it is.
Cheers!
Ed
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Ed thank you for your service. Very well stated!
Twolf
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it appears many feel that even if we are old and handi-cap plus have to go thru the Montana drawing to be lucky enough to draw a big game license to hunt Montana > no x-bows. so we the old non-resident handi-cap bowhunter are a real threat yet to do better at taking to many legal game animals in Montana over younger resident bowhunters ? i never felt we were that much more skilled at archery , hunting and taking game animals with archery equipment even when we are older and handi - cap ? why not at least allow x-bows without wheels on limbs legal ? and outlaw compound bows " wheel bows" ? regular limbed x-bows have been around for many centuries, not only less than 50 years as a compound bow has been .
Not trying to steer away from the OP, but this sentiment is garbage. And as someone who hunts multiple states every year, spending thousands of my hard earned dollars in your state I might add, I'm sick of being called an "idiot" or that we non-residents "screw up your hunting". Last time I checked Montana received more than $9.3 billion in federal aid. That's not including all the revenue us non-residents contribute to your state's economy.
Don't get me wrong, I understand you being protective of your state. I don't want people from outside my state telling me how to live in mine either. I'm just sick of being looked down like I'm doing something wrong when all I want to do is hunt.
Twolf
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your right we as non-residents are looked down on but the truth is i have seen and heard more problems with residents of their home state ,just ask a game warden .
