Montana x-bows illegal

[adam32+P]

And so are compounds. They take far less skill to use than a recurve or a longbow. Again its a technology that is now accepted and was not at one time. I can teach a person to shoot a compound in one hour to be able to hit a kill zone easily at 20 yards. That would take a very long time to obtain that skill with a recurve or a longbow. You still have to get close to an animal without being detected.

Same can be said with a rifle

My point is that a crossbow gives significant advantages over any bow. Like a stock and you don't have to hold the string back. Anyways…… I'm out.

A variable powered scope gives much advantage over a fixed power...a scope with turrets give an advantage over a scope without...a rangefinder combined with a ballistics app combined with a turret scope gives a major advantage over everything and is capable of making 600 yard shots with less practice than someone needs with a crossbow at 50 yards...

Slippery slope...don't throw stones when you live in a glass house.

 

[JAYgs8163]

Same can be said with a rifle a


A variable powered scope gives much advantage over a fixed power...a scope with turrets give an advantage over a scope without...a rangefinder combined with a ballistics app combined with a turret scope gives a major advantage over everything and is capable of making 600 yard shots with less practice than someone needs with a crossbow at 50 yards...

Slippery slope...don't throw stones when you live in a glass house.

Nobody's throwing stones. As you said "major advantage". As is a crossbow with a scope is major advantage to make a shot at 50 than a compound bow, and if they weren't they would legal everywhere during archery season. No stones, just a point to try and get across. And, personally if a person is "disabled" I have no issue them applying for a "special tag". Some states allow it as they do in Az. Some don't. The OP mentioned suing Montana and I don't think he even lives there. Ehhh, I'm done. No disrespect is meant by comments.

 

[deaddownrange]

I did not read through all the post as I have heard it all before, I am old enough to remember when bowhunters went nuts and didnt want to allow compound bows, "that aint archery!" "Gotta use stick and string!" and I've seen where crossbows were not allowed and then they were, alot of those crossbow users then went to bows and became bowhunters, then we got the QDM guys they want to force theirideas of hunting on everyone, then the antler restriction guys, theres always an argument.

 

[DDWing]

in Montana x-bows are illegal to hunt with during the archery season for everyone . as a handi -cap person with a valid doctor permit for Montana i still am not allowed to use a x-bow during archery season. i did purchase a draw lock system for my compound bow but that is very difficult to carry in the mountains and the draw lock is legal in Montana but its a real joke for a handi -cap person to carry and use. Montana bowhunters association is against people with a disability ,i wonder if that is even legal in America to be against handi-cap people like that ? any attorneys out there ? it might be some easy money ?

Some people on this forum don't seem to have any sympathy for a disabled fellow hunter. I can relate to your situation because I had to switch to a crossbow, instead of my compound bows, because of sever arthritis in my right shoulder. I wish you all the best, and good hunting.
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[adam32+P]

Some people on this forum don't seem to have any sympathy for a disabled fellow hunter.

It goes deeper than that...MANY on this forum think that the game animals belong to them and them alone, and NR hunters shouldn't even be allowed in their State.

Hunters are the most divisive and "throw someone under the bus" people I've ever encountered...especially hunters from "big game States".

 

[LeddSlinger]

It goes deeper than that...MANY on this forum think that the game animals belong to them and them alone, and NR hunters shouldn't even be allowed in their State.

Hunters are the most divisive and "throw someone under the bus" people I've ever encountered...especially hunters from "big game States".

Because we're tired of all the idiots that come in and trash the place and screw up all the hunting.
The states are independent of each other so yes, the animals are property Montana residents and we share them with a specified amount of non-residents every year. Just the same as every other state.

Some of the states that were very conservative at one time have been ruined by residents that just roll over and expose their belly when outsiders come in and try to change their way of life.

I view Montana the same as my own home. If some outsider starts talking trash about our state, trying to tell us how things should be done here, or threatening us with cry baby spineless lawsuits, to me that's exactly the same as coming on to my personal property and saying the same thing.

 

[DDWing]

Because we're tired of all the idiots that come in and trash the place and screw up all the hunting.
The states are independent of each other so yes, the animals are property Montana residents and we share them with a specified amount of non-residents every year. Just the same as every other state.

Some of the states that were very conservative at one time have been ruined by residents that just roll over and expose their belly when outsiders come in and try to change their way of life.

I view Montana the same as my own home. If some outsider starts talking trash about our state, trying to tell us how things should be done here, or threatening us with cry baby spineless lawsuits, to me that's exactly the same as coming on to my personal property and saying the same thing.

 

[Muddyboots]

The issue as I see it is the "opinion" crossbows are so far superior than a compound. Which is rubbish. A 80-90% letoff on a compound in comparison to a recurve is far greater than a crossbow to a compound. Tell me the average bull kill with a bow isn't greater than 40+ yards? Mule deer probably farther? What skill are we talking about with these high letoff bows? Heck I feel confident out to 60+ with fixed blade broadheads. Don't want to hear crap on that, if you can competently tune a bow this is easily done. Just shoot right spine arrows and go kill at ranges similar to crossbow. I have a crossbow that was s retirement gift but I still prefer my Hoyt. I know what my Bowtech Stryker 380 can do but not realistically any farther than my Hoyt. If you are hunting out west, you are killing animals 40+ routinely with your string and stick bow. Even a caveman can do it.

 

[flyguy1]

So, and I mean this sincerely, if you need to use a crossbow because of disability, wouldn't a rifle be 100x better? Admittedly, I shot most of my deer with a .300 WinMag, but they never went farther than a few yards (didn't take risky shots either). A bow-shot animal can be difficult to track and recover. Look at all the "bowhunting studs" on TV who come back to find it "the next day"; yeah, when all the meat is soured. I can't imagine how a disabled person would do all this tracking.

As for suing to change laws, very slippery slope. One of my best friends grew up in CA and it was a wonderful place at that time. Now they have feces maps.

 

[asd9055]

So, and I mean this sincerely, if you need to use a crossbow because of disability, wouldn't a rifle be 100x better? Admittedly, I shot most of my deer with a .300 WinMag, but they never went farther than a few yards (didn't take risky shots either). A bow-shot animal can be difficult to track and recover. Look at all the "bowhunting studs" on TV who come back to find it "the next day"; yeah, when all the meat is soured. I can't imagine how a disabled person would do all this tracking.

As for suing to change laws, very slippery slope. One of my best friends grew up in CA and it was a wonderful place at that time. Now they have feces maps.

The point is he wants to use a crossbow out of season. My understanding was he could use a crossbow in the rifle season.

 

[Twolf]

after 55 years as a bowhunter and 35 years as a pole climbing lineman for the power company my shoulders and back have made me disabled with 4 back surgeries and both shoulders rebuilt . yes i have a draw lock for my bow its a joke to use plus now the bow is hard to carry and weighs more too and yes a x-bow would have been better for my use. but i will use the draw lock system ,just remember these thoughts when you get old and are disabled this could be you with some health problems ? alot of the land in Montana where the elk are is federal land not state land . maybe the best way i see to get this x bow law/rule change is ask the ranchers of Montana they make the real rules for the DNR in Montana . my dear friend is a Montana resident frontline wounded Viet Nam Marine VET. with a shoulder that got badly wounded next to a mortar when it blew up ,he cant handle a bow anymore but he sure wished he could also use a x bow during the archery season. >to you new younger generation bowhunters your wrong about x bows for the handi -cap , but when you get old with health issues i bet then you will need and want to use a x bow ?

Take it or leave it is all I gotta say. If you want to hunt in our state don't complain. Your general tag is good for archery and rifle so if you are not able to hunt with a bow as per our archery laws then wait until rifle season or hunt somewhere else. It's as easy as that.

And threatening us with a lawsuit??? Best of luck with your attorney. You knew the hunting laws when you applied for a tag. The only joke will be you when the Judge throws the case out of court. That is if you can even find an attorney dumb enough to try the case. Do us all a favor and just stay home. You will not be welcome in Montana.

i just will start asking Montana ranchers about how to change this x bow law, ranchers will listen better .

 

[chindits]

I personally picked up a compound bow and shot at 100 yards a 8" group by the end of a 30 minute practice period.

You sir have an unnatural talent that is being wasted. If what you say is true, you should consider competition. I only know non electric and non magnified bow sites in CO, so I really can't fathom how easy everyone is suggesting shooting a compound bow is.

 

[Twolf]

The point is he wants to use a crossbow out of season. My understanding was he could use a crossbow in the rifle season.

So, and I mean this sincerely, if you need to use a crossbow because of disability, wouldn't a rifle be 100x better? Admittedly, I shot most of my deer with a .300 WinMag, but they never went farther than a few yards (didn't take risky shots either). A bow-shot animal can be difficult to track and recover. Look at all the "bowhunting studs" on TV who come back to find it "the next day"; yeah, when all the meat is soured. I can't imagine how a disabled person would do all this tracking.

As for suing to change laws, very slippery slope. One of my best friends grew up in CA and it was a wonderful place at that time. Now they have feces maps.

thanks for your answer but the the time of the year the archery season is open is so nice to be in the mountains with elk bugling. as far as tracking a wounded animal my son , friend and myself are very good trackers maybe better than many others ? my handi cap is my shoulders for drawing a bow anymore.

 

[Sockeye66]

in Montana x-bows are illegal to hunt with during the archery season for everyone . as a handi -cap person with a valid doctor permit for Montana i still am not allowed to use a x-bow during archery season. i did purchase a draw lock system for my compound bow but that is very difficult to carry in the mountains and the draw lock is legal in Montana but its a real joke for a handi -cap person to carry and use. Montana bowhunters association is against people with a disability ,i wonder if that is even legal in America to be against handi-cap people like that ? any attorneys out there ? it might be some easy money ?

I may have missed something here, why do you believe the Montana Bowhunters Association is against people with disabilities? I too am technically handicapped although I hunt just fine (things can change), and I really don't have an opinion on the rules regarding crossbows. The "easy money" comment tells me that you have another motive other than a change to the hunting regulations.