Montana x-bows illegal

[shaughn]

Get a sympathetic judge and have them approach it from a different angle than the first case and voila! Depends on how much money and time they want to spend in court and have a legitimate claim.

I know and have helped several physically challenged individuals hunt,they have exemptions and use xbows during archery here, it's a production getting them and their chairs into the hides. One can use a bow and did, but she finds it aggravates her previous injury now that she is older and her doctor said stop or face losing what upper body use you still have...what a decision to make...they aren't looking for an easy out, just a fair chance like every one else and restricting them to the general rifle season isn't fair.

We had some "purists" try and push thru some regulation here 30 yrs ago or so, bucks only minimum point count, far as I remember we were swimming in deer and another group wanted the muzzleloader season to be restricted to flinlock smooth bore Brown Bess style musket only, that was their agenda to make the hunt better, for who? Certainly not the general population of hunters.

Are there people out there who are going to abuse the rules? of course there will, that's just human nature and greed.


Hunters and gun control, support them all, or else by the time they get to you ,you will be all alone!

Think about it!

 

[Darryle]

Like I said before on this post,if it was legal to use a crossbow so the woods would be full of people with crossbows!
Another thing about this guy,if he is so disabled how is he going to be able to take care of an elk if he kills one.?
Too many elk are wasted by bow hunters now(not finding the elk before it spoils)

I agree with most, if not all of what @Husky user has said.

I have a medical issue that keeps me home, I could hunt, but I would require help to field dress/process or even load the deer in the truck. Instead of me being a burden on someone else, I just stay home and live vicariously thru those who can and do.

YMMV

 

[6.5x300 WBY]

I agree with most, if not all of what @Husky user has said.

I have a medical issue that keeps me home, I could hunt, but I would require help to field dress/process or even load the deer in the truck. Instead of me being a burden on someone else, I just stay home and live vicariously thru those who can and do.

YMMV

I agree with nothing he said. It's been proven incorrect. Like false. Nothing further from the truth

 

[Darryle]

I agree with nothing he said. It's been proven incorrect. Like false. Nothing further from the truth

We can agree to disagree. That is what makes this a great forum.

I do not fully agree with his last statement, it's not just bow hunters that waste game meat by allowing it to spoil before finding them.

 

[shaughn]

Like I said before on this post,if it was legal to use a crossbow so the woods would be full of people with crossbows!
Another thing about this guy,if he is so disabled how is he going to be able to take care of an elk if he kills one.?
Too many elk are wasted by bow hunters now(not finding the elk before it spoils)

Where do you get your numbers on wastage? Do you have the list of filed charges and convictions placed in Montana? Or is this just unfounded hyperbole along the lines of the anti hunting anti trapping and anti gun groups.

I can just as easily make the case for LRH and ELRH with rifles and magically pull the numbers from the air.

 

[Darryle]

Where do you get your numbers on wastage? Do you have the list of filed charges and convictions placed in Montana? Or is this just unfounded hyperbole along the lines of the anti hunting anti trapping and anti gun groups.

I can just as easily make the case for LRH and ELRH with rifles and magically pull the numbers from the air.

Lost Deer Blood Trail

Lost My Elk

To be fair

Bullet Failure

Bullet Failure

 

[shaughn]

Yes, hunters have lost deer, elk, moose etc...but..to claim that providing a means for a physical challenged individual to hunt in an archery season will increase the numbers of lossed game animals is ridiculous

He is claiming "many" well that has to be more than just honest hunters owning up to loss and posting and a large percentage of loss would definitely have ended archery hunting a long time ago. The media would be all over it.

How many licensed archery hunters in Montana? Were any cited for game wastage?

I can tell you Manitoba numbers for Elk Draw archery season 2020/2021--689 , 2021/2022--702 , 2022/2023--746

General Rifle Elk 2020/2021 -- 1033 , 2021/2022 -- 1077 , 2022/2023 -- 1124

Don't have harvest numbers because those aren't listed any more and have to be requested, usually compiled by start of next season, so run a year or two behind.

So, what percentage are we looking at, all the bow hunters of my acquaintance are on par or more avid than the long range shooters.

Given the range limitations of the equipment compared to firearms and unless in a concealing blind the gross body movement needed to come to full draw, you are dedicated to the hunt to get it done.

 

[Darryle]

I am playing devil's advocate.

We only know what is reported, how many as they say, shoot, shovel and keep quiet.

I had a big long response, but I will leave it here. We know people are over confident in their abilities and fail even in the best of circumstances.

Y'all hunt however you want, it's not my state, it's not my sandbox.

If I was a hunter in Montana, I would not want the number of lost game reported, that only plays into the hands of the greenies.

 

[shaughn]

Understood, totally I have a lady standing behind me, who makes me spend quality time debating and advocating for and against people who have agendas.

 

[Twolf]

in the future some archer`s will also have health issues and wish they could use a x-bow during the archery season. also let`s not forget many bowhunters use a compound bow and a release aid to shoot with , compound bows were invented less than 80 years ago and x-bows without wheels on them have been used for thousands of years ,so explain to me what the word traditional really means ? sounds to me compound bows have training wheels and a release aid is used to also help the release of a arrow is that not a handi-cap advantage for the archer ? and here is the other part you can only tag one elk legally so who cares what harvest tool you use ? or are the compound archers just jealous and worried old archers with a x-bow with handy caps can still out hunt young archers ?

 

[Scooter 45ACP]

in Montana x-bows are illegal to hunt with during the archery season for everyone . as a handi -cap person with a valid doctor permit for Montana i still am not allowed to use a x-bow during archery season. i did purchase a draw lock system for my compound bow but that is very difficult to carry in the mountains and the draw lock is legal in Montana but its a real joke for a handi -cap person to carry and use. Montana bowhunters association is against people with a disability ,i wonder if that is even legal in America to be against handi-cap people like that ? any attorneys out there ? it might be some easy money ?

I don't live in Montana so it's not any of my business about hunting laws there but totally understand why they would be upset from non-residents complaining about the laws, simple solution is hunt where x-bows are legal and stay the hell out of laws in other states and leave attorneys out of the picture

 

[JAYgs8163]

in the future some archer`s will also have health issues and wish they could use a x-bow during the archery season. also let`s not forget many bowhunters use a compound bow and a release aid to shoot with , compound bows were invented less than 80 years ago and x-bows without wheels on them have been used for thousands of years ,so explain to me what the word traditional really means ? sounds to me compound bows have training wheels and a release aid is used to also help the release of a arrow is that not a handi-cap advantage for the archer ? and here is the other part you can only tag one elk legally so who cares what harvest tool you use ? or are the compound archers just jealous and worried old archers with a x-bow with handy caps can still out hunt young archers ?

I think people with a Health Issue exceptions can use crossbows in many states during archery season. I don't know the law in Montana but in other states it's acceptable with the exception provided by GF and the users doctor.

 

[MT257]

I think people with a Health Issue exceptions can use crossbows in many states during archery season. I don't know the law in Montana but in other states it's acceptable with the exception provided by GF and the users doctor.

The Permit to modify archery equipment is already in place to accommodate those with health issues.

 

[chav0_12]

in the future some archer`s will also have health issues and wish they could use a x-bow during the archery season. also let`s not forget many bowhunters use a compound bow and a release aid to shoot with , compound bows were invented less than 80 years ago and x-bows without wheels on them have been used for thousands of years ,so explain to me what the word traditional really means ? sounds to me compound bows have training wheels and a release aid is used to also help the release of a arrow is that not a handi-cap advantage for the archer ? and here is the other part you can only tag one elk legally so who cares what harvest tool you use ? or are the compound archers just jealous and worried old archers with a x-bow with handy caps can still out hunt young archers ?

You're really still going on about this and still don't understand the differences between a crossbow and a compound, why one is easier to shoot than the other? Nobody is saying you can't come to Montana and use a crossbow to hunt with, you just can't do it during the archery season.