Model 70 safety problem

[Laelkhunter]

It was worn out. Even clean it broke from 4.5 Lbs down to 2.3 Lbs. When that started, groups opened up badly. Looking back tonight, I wish I would have got another Winchester trigger.

Contact Timney and tell them about your concerns about the safety being stuck in the "fire" position, and feel it is unsafe. They will take it back and issue a refund. THEN go to Brownells.com, and order a Winchester trigger if you feel safer with the Winchester.
*** edited to correct my reply: Brownell's does not sell Winchester 70 parts (thanks to shortgrass for the correct info).

 

[shortgrass]

Contact Timney and tell them about your concerns about the safety being stuck in the "fire" position, and feel it is unsafe. They will take it back and issue a refund. THEN go to Brownells.com, and order a Winchester trigger if you feel safer with the Winchester.

Brownells doesn't sell any Win 70 parts, only Win Super X Model 2 parts.

 

[shortgrass]

Highdesertmike , Winchester and Remington triggers are two completely different animals . The older Winchester triggers are more like a Ruger trigger or a Mauser trigger . The safety doesn't push forward as the Remington does it pivots and has a notched portion the lines up to let the trigger be pulled past a block that turns when you move the safety .

Remington uses a trigger block safety, Winchester 70 uses a firing pin block safety..... Two completely different ways too prevent a gun from firing.

 

[shortgrass]

Your safety cam is out of time now. Any decent smith close by can get it back in time.

David, anything to keep from having the local gunsmith fix it. It completely escapes me, guy'll have their 'prize' re-barreled, re-stocked, coated instead of blued but for a simple repair won't have someone whos' work it is, make the repair. I did run my shop full time for about 10yrs. I got tired of parts showing up in a Tupperware dish or a Zip-Loc bag, those that would take a 1/2hr to an hour of my time (while I had pleanty of work stacked-up behind me) then decide they didn't want the work done, those that thought I should drop what I'm doing when they walk in and 'fix' their gun while they watched,,,,,,, and It just drives me nuts to have someone watching/breathing down the back of my neck and asking questions while I'm trying to concentrate on my work. Now, it's a part time gig, I pick and choose what work I want,,,,,, the machine shop is a lot friendlier place to be! The mis-information about triggers and safeties is getting deep in this thread to the point that it's a waste of bandwidth, so, time for me to leave it. Good Luck, Red

 

[flyguy1]

David, anything to keep from having the local gunsmith fix it. It completely escapes me, guy'll have their 'prize' re-barreled, re-stocked, coated instead of blued but for a simple repair won't have someone whos' work it is, make the repair. I did run my shop full time for about 10yrs. I got tired of parts showing up in a Tupperware dish or a Zip-Loc bag, those that would take a 1/2hr to an hour of my time (while I had pleanty of work stacked-up behind me) then decide they didn't want the work done, those that thought I should drop what I'm doing when they walk in and 'fix' their gun while they watched,,,,,,, and It just drives me nuts to have someone watching/breathing down the back of my neck and asking questions while I'm trying to concentrate on my work. Now, it's a part time gig, I pick and choose what work I want,,,,,, the machine shop is a lot friendlier place to be! The mis-information about triggers and safeties is getting deep in this thread to the point that it's a waste of bandwidth, so, time for me to leave it. Good Luck, Red

Come on shortgrass, no big deal to work on triggers. I have included this in case their kids fall and hit their heads. A bargain at $24.95! LOL

 

[Laelkhunter]

Brownells doesn't sell any Win 70 parts, only Win Super X Model 2 parts.

Oops, sorry for the bad advice. Disregard it and carry on !!

 

[zog]

I also had a problem and got a full refund:

My email to Timney:

"Winchester 70 401-16*2.0

I wish to return this trigger.

It was a very tight fit, requiring a lot of force on the trigger body to fit the slot. Wesley helped me resolve this on the phone, but it still did not feel like it was going in as intended by design. I also had to enlarge the front pin hole on the trigger body with my hand drill to accept the Win factory front pin. The factory pin and slot were apparently not quite the same as other Win Model 70's.

However on finishing the installation, I am unable to make the trigger operate properly. The bolt slam-fires even when trigger is set to 2 lbs.

This is likely due to Winchester inconsistencies, not poor quality on Timney's part. Nonetheless it is a trigger I cannot use.

I have three rifles with Timney triggers and they are all great, but can't use this one.

Please advise on how I can return this trigger.

Thanks"



Timney's reply the next day . . .

"Perfect, go ahead and print this attached form out and send it in with the trigger. We will take care of it once it has been received in our facility.

Thank you for your kind words, your feedback and your continued support.

Megan Downey

Customer Service"

 

[DSheetz]

shortgrass , please reread my post . I didn't say that the safety worked by blocking the trigger I said that the safety had a notch that when turned blocked the trigger from being pulled . I am aware of the way that the Winchester model 70 safety works to block the firing pin from being able to move forward . The safety also has a notch in it so that when put in the middle position the trigger can be pulled the same as when it is in the firing position but when the safety is in the full safe position the trigger is blocked to keep it from being pulled . You may need to slow down and read things then think about what you were just reading or may be I need to explain things better . I AM SORRY THAT IT APPEARS THAT YOU HAVE BECOME BITTER IN LIFE .

 

[Laelkhunter]

shortgrass , please reread my post . I didn't say that the safety worked by blocking the trigger I said that the safety had a notch that when turned blocked the trigger from being pulled . I am aware of the way that the Winchester model 70 safety works to block the firing pin from being able to move forward . The safety also has a notch in it so that when put in the middle position the trigger can be pulled the same as when it is in the firing position but when the safety is in the full safe position the trigger is blocked to keep it from being pulled . You may need to slow down and read things then think about what you were just reading or may be I need to explain things better . I AM SORRY THAT IT APPEARS THAT YOU HAVE BECOME BITTER IN LIFE .

He said it was time for him to leave, so he probably didn't read your reply.

 

[David Emerson]

David, anything to keep from having the local gunsmith fix it. It completely escapes me, guy'll have their 'prize' re-barreled, re-stocked, coated instead of blued but for a simple repair won't have someone whos' work it is, make the repair. I did run my shop full time for about 10yrs. I got tired of parts showing up in a Tupperware dish or a Zip-Loc bag, those that would take a 1/2hr to an hour of my time (while I had pleanty of work stacked-up behind me) then decide they didn't want the work done, those that thought I should drop what I'm doing when they walk in and 'fix' their gun while they watched,,,,,,, and It just drives me nuts to have someone watching/breathing down the back of my neck and asking questions while I'm trying to concentrate on my work. Now, it's a part time gig, I pick and choose what work I want,,,,,, the machine shop is a lot friendlier place to be! The mis-information about triggers and safeties is getting deep in this thread to the point that it's a waste of bandwidth, so, time for me to leave it. Good Luck, Red

True words. I also hate the over the shoulder watchers. Now I have them leave the gun and fix it when they are gone. 10 minutes or 10 hours or days long job.

 

[Ol' Red]

True words. I also hate the over the shoulder watchers. Now I have them leave the gun and fix it when they are gone. 10 minutes or 10 hours or days long job.

That's the way it should be. Nobody likes someone watching over their shoulder. I would not take my firearm to a gunsmith if I did not trust him to do the job.

 

[shortgrass]

That's the way it should be. Nobody likes someone watching over their shoulder. I would not take my firearm to a gunsmith if I did not trust him to do the job.

I don't think it's a matter of not trusting, it's the matter of "I wanna be a gunsmith too" syndrome. You wanna be a gunsmith? Take a couple of years and attend an accredited school, Brownells has 'um listed in their catalog.

 

[nksmfamjp]

I don't think it's a matter of not trusting, it's the matter of "I wanna be a gunsmith too" syndrome. You wanna be a gunsmith? Take a couple of years and attend an accredited school, Brownells has 'um listed in their catalog.

I think I get where you are coming from. I know a fair amount about gunsmithing, but I also know enough to pay to have certain things done, to not expect to be taught gunsmithing by my gunsmith and to not work on other people's guns!

 

[DSheetz]

A lot of people just like to tinker some times it works out for them and some times they get in over their heads and then end up taking it to some one else to bail them out . Some people just like to watch craftsmen work they don't want to learn how to do it just enjoy seeing a craftsman do a good job . Others are good at repairing things and have worked all their lives doing it and know how to diagnose things and can fix things for them selves but don't really want to take any ones job or lively hood but just enjoy the challenge of doing some thing a little different for a change of pace . Some people are just insecure about themselves or just like to complain and blame others for their own short comings, some people are secure in them selves and don't mind others trying to do for themselves knowing that they them selves will be ok and still make a living at what they chose to work at . People are people and as such all have different skill levels and abilities as well as out looks on life .