dfanonymous
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Mass Shootings - Why?
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I'll edge the fringe of the problem with a tidbit. We've allowed public schools to teach children for way too long they are but time+matter+chance, mere animals - yet many wonder what happened when they act as they have been "taught".
Hugnot
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We live in an era of evil and subjection. Schools need to be a haven of intellectual development for young minds not a magnet for evil expression. Young minds need to be challenged to find their niche in society and full potential of abilities whether it be driving truck, plumbing, rocket science, mathematics, medicine or scientific research - all are needed and require special talents. Being worried and defensive against a extreme attack will diminish intellectual development.
I would not want to go up against some evil fanatic armed with an AR rifle with a tiny .380 pistol. School security needs to be done by professionals and schools need to develop young minds vs. indoctrination.
Make schools hard targets.
I would not want to go up against some evil fanatic armed with an AR rifle with a tiny .380 pistol. School security needs to be done by professionals and schools need to develop young minds vs. indoctrination.
Make schools hard targets.
Orange Dust
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Are they really insane or just plain bad? There are a lot of really bad people in this world that know exactly what they are doing. What to do about those? They are few but they exist and create havoc
I see where you coming from, but our local Sportsman's Warehouse has several in stock. This kid must have had a good allowance to get hold of two of these and the ammo.
That would take killing out of the school, but I think it might increase the overall homicide rate. I'm not trying to be a smart@$$ here, I'm serious.
Killing 19 children, wounding 17 children, killing 2 adults and shooting your grandma in the face in less than hour is my definition of insane. I could be wrong, I know/knew some really bad people with no conscience and no remorse, they are not capable of this in their worst case. I'm pretty sure they would have issue with this slaughter.
I've got 19+ years of LE experience in Wyoming and I agree with what Cody Adams said.
All over the country there is no accountability for violence. People committing felonies are released within hours now with little or no bond. Morals are eroding, the family unit is falling apart and God is being removed from society. I teach active shooter classes to officers, schools, churches, businesses and everyone that will take them. I'm not sure what the facts are yet but we teach all officers to go in alone; no waiting even two seconds for backup. We teach schools/citizens to fight back, barricade and or flee (run, hide, fight concepts). Many people (LE too) won't embrace the concepts because "it can't happen here" or they simply don't have the mindset to fight. Every LE officer knows of multiple people who have been a threat to the public, were detained on a mental hold or a serious crime but were let go with no treatment or no prosecution. Laws rarely get enforced any more. We had a guy steal guns at 3am, shoot rounds all over a residential area, we arrested him and he was let go with no charges. We had a kid bring two guns to school and again no charges. The public has no idea what really goes on (sometimes due to juvenile laws preventing disclosure if they are under 18) when someone is arrested but LE gets the black eye when things go wrong (although sometimes it is LE's fault and we own that).
The amount of violent media in our society (see Dave Grossman's work at killology.org or his book "Stop Teaching Our Kids to Kill" greatly contributes to these events. That along with instant stardom/fame in the media doesn't help. It is also hard to get many of our schools and teachers to embrace active shooter training. I ask all of our deputies/officers to visit each school at random times each day to have a presence; sometimes school staff calls in to complain about us being there. I could go on and on but there are many problems here. I am a fan of a cop in every school (a well trained cop).
All over the country there is no accountability for violence. People committing felonies are released within hours now with little or no bond. Morals are eroding, the family unit is falling apart and God is being removed from society. I teach active shooter classes to officers, schools, churches, businesses and everyone that will take them. I'm not sure what the facts are yet but we teach all officers to go in alone; no waiting even two seconds for backup. We teach schools/citizens to fight back, barricade and or flee (run, hide, fight concepts). Many people (LE too) won't embrace the concepts because "it can't happen here" or they simply don't have the mindset to fight. Every LE officer knows of multiple people who have been a threat to the public, were detained on a mental hold or a serious crime but were let go with no treatment or no prosecution. Laws rarely get enforced any more. We had a guy steal guns at 3am, shoot rounds all over a residential area, we arrested him and he was let go with no charges. We had a kid bring two guns to school and again no charges. The public has no idea what really goes on (sometimes due to juvenile laws preventing disclosure if they are under 18) when someone is arrested but LE gets the black eye when things go wrong (although sometimes it is LE's fault and we own that).
The amount of violent media in our society (see Dave Grossman's work at killology.org or his book "Stop Teaching Our Kids to Kill" greatly contributes to these events. That along with instant stardom/fame in the media doesn't help. It is also hard to get many of our schools and teachers to embrace active shooter training. I ask all of our deputies/officers to visit each school at random times each day to have a presence; sometimes school staff calls in to complain about us being there. I could go on and on but there are many problems here. I am a fan of a cop in every school (a well trained cop).
Southern 62
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Weather we like it or not…. It's a fact!!!! There's only two powers that control mankind. God our Father in Heaven, and Satin. God gives us free will. Good or bad. We forget even as Christians how Powerful Satin is at times. This young man chose bad.
Even without a father or a mother to guide him in the rite way, I feel he still knew rite from wrong. The key word is ( GUIDE ) We all know good parents that there children were nothing but trouble.
I knew rite from wrong as a child even though I was a product of foster homes and a youth home for boys sense I was10 years old. Didn't always do rite, but knew it was wrong. No excuses.
Hunting and fishing was my outlet. I think so many kids are missing the life lessons of the outdoors. Like others have said, the video games of killing and death are desensitizing the real consequences of taking the life of something. Remember the first deer or animal that looked you in the eyes when we didn't make a clean kill? I do and I'll never forget it.
What is the answer to this tragedy? I don't think there is just one. I think there are several I think as Outdoors men and women we have an opportunity to mentor younger children to lessons of life the outdoors and the consequences of life and death. The real and true impact of it burnt in our minds.
I know I have had opportunities that I didn't take advantage of. Wake up call for me. May God bring the peace only he can give to them all, and wisdom to us to lead the future of the young in the rite way. Gods Way!!!!! Just my thoughts.
Even without a father or a mother to guide him in the rite way, I feel he still knew rite from wrong. The key word is ( GUIDE ) We all know good parents that there children were nothing but trouble.
I knew rite from wrong as a child even though I was a product of foster homes and a youth home for boys sense I was10 years old. Didn't always do rite, but knew it was wrong. No excuses.
Hunting and fishing was my outlet. I think so many kids are missing the life lessons of the outdoors. Like others have said, the video games of killing and death are desensitizing the real consequences of taking the life of something. Remember the first deer or animal that looked you in the eyes when we didn't make a clean kill? I do and I'll never forget it.
What is the answer to this tragedy? I don't think there is just one. I think there are several I think as Outdoors men and women we have an opportunity to mentor younger children to lessons of life the outdoors and the consequences of life and death. The real and true impact of it burnt in our minds.
I know I have had opportunities that I didn't take advantage of. Wake up call for me. May God bring the peace only he can give to them all, and wisdom to us to lead the future of the young in the rite way. Gods Way!!!!! Just my thoughts.
Perhaps someone will raise His hand and all nations will bow.
Buxndiverdux
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Trying to predict when a whacktard will go on a shooting spree is impossible. Removing the rights of Americans, who have previously done nothing wrong, because they might be mentally unstable is a severe breach of rights and impossible to predict accurately.
If Politicians wanted to stop school shootings, they would carve out some pork, or just take the 42 billion for Ukraine and fund armed protection for public schools. They could do this via executive order if it was a priority. But it isn't a priority. The Politicians use these shootings as a tool to gain more power. They want to remove the right to bear arms from the citizenry at any cost. They don't care about our children or us. All they care about is power.
If Politicians wanted to stop school shootings, they would carve out some pork, or just take the 42 billion for Ukraine and fund armed protection for public schools. They could do this via executive order if it was a priority. But it isn't a priority. The Politicians use these shootings as a tool to gain more power. They want to remove the right to bear arms from the citizenry at any cost. They don't care about our children or us. All they care about is power.
Bingo!! We have the real answer.
Hard rock
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Ditto I didn't like the Draft and got caught in it , if you look back if a young person didn't have a direction in life Uncle Sam gave him one . We didn't hear of this type of thing in 1960 , I know this isn't the complete why but combine it with the above post and you will be close too it.
