Mass Shootings - Why?

[WahooYahoo]

Griz,
Ignore button is priceless. One shouldn't argue with fools. On lookers won't know who is who. Some folks just ignore truth. Can't do anything with them.

 

[Orange Dust]

I certainly don't think a fertilized egg is a child. Late term abortion is killing a child but they are not allowed unless it is medically necessary. Thats a decision between the family and the doctor, no one else.

Jim, I can't stand it. Had to jump back in. There are a handful of blue states that allow at will partial birth abortions. This means they can kill a full term baby before it is completely out. There is at least one, I think it is new York that will allow a baby to be killed after it is born. Radical lefties have taken over your party. They are calling themselves Democratic Socialist. The Republicans are about where the democrats were 40 to 50 years ago. Look it up. Required reading.

 

[JimFromTN]

I took an oath that I will defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic. If I get kicked off an internet forum that only exists because of the constitution and its main purpose is talking about guns because of a commie internet troll then it's not the place for me. I will lose zero sleep over it.

If you are suggesting that I am a commie internet troll, you would be mistaken. We simply do not see eye to eye on everything. That does not make me a commie internet troll. You defended my right not to see eye to eye with you and for that I thank you for your service.

 

[JimFromTN]

You didn't vote for Trump. You make that clear. You support liberals and their agenda. You make that clear. You think something should be done about killing children. But you support abortion. You made that clear.
From the moment of conception it's a child. God makes that clear.

Thats why we have separation of church and state.

 

[JimFromTN]

Jim, I can't stand it. Had to jump back in. There are a handful of blue states that allow at will partial birth abortions. This means they can kill a full term baby before it is completely out. There is at least one, I think it is new York that will allow a baby to be killed after it is born. Radical lefties have taken over your party. They are calling themselves Democratic Socialist. The Republicans are about where the democrats were 40 to 50 years ago. Look it up. Required reading.

Partial birth abortion is the dilation and extraction procedure or D&X. It supposed to be less harmful to the mother. There are other procedures they can use. Ironically, I think the reason the people that are fighting to keep it is because they are not willing to give an inch fearing the other side will take a mile. Sounds kind of familiar. If you are referring to late term abortions, I don't support them unless they can be proven medically necessary which should infer that I do not support the use of D&X. Not many pro choice people do support late term abortions and even fewer D&X. Around 60% of americans approve of abortion but as time progresses in the pregnancy, that number goes down. Its not an all or nothing thing for most but not everyone obviously.

" The Republicans are about where the democrats were 40 to 50 years ago."? Are you sure that's something you should be admitting? I thought that was one of those elephant in the room kind of things that you are supposed to pretend isn't there.

 

[Mike D Texas]

Thats why we have separation of church and state.

That doesn't exist, at least not in the context that it is typically used in. Still not sure where this ever came from.

 

[2buffalo]

If you are suggesting that I am a commie internet troll, you would be mistaken. We simply do not see eye to eye on everything. That does not make me a commie internet troll. You defended my right not to see eye to eye with you and for that I thank you for your service.

Once again your interpretation skills amaze me......

 

[Orange Dust]

Partial birth abortion is the dilation and extraction procedure or D&X. It supposed to be less harmful to the mother. There are other procedures they can use. Ironically, I think the reason the people that are fighting to keep it is because they are not willing to give an inch fearing the other side will take a mile. Sounds kind of familiar. If you are referring to late term abortions, I don't support them unless they can be proven medically necessary which should infer that I do not support the use of D&X. Not many pro choice people do support late term abortions and even fewer D&X. Around 60% of americans approve of abortion but as time progresses in the pregnancy, that number goes down. Its not an all or nothing thing for most but not everyone obviously.

" The Republicans are about where the democrats were 40 to 50 years ago."? Are you sure that's something you should be admitting? I thought that was one of those elephant in the room kind of things that you are supposed to pretend isn't there.

Kennedy would be considered a right wing wacko by many of them today. I don't like the other side either. They claim to be conservatives and constitutionality until they vote. Then the excuses and fund raising. Just wait until this vote. They will punish us for something a madman did. We will suffer. I always vote against them in the primary and for whoever wins in the general. Need term limits. Power and greed ruins them. My grandson was born 6 weeks early. Could have been legally aborted in several states.i love him.

 

[JimFromTN]

Kennedy would be considered a right wing wacko by many of them today. I don't like the other side either. They claim to be conservatives and constitutionality until they vote. Then the excuses and fund raising. Just wait until this vote. They will punish us for something a madman did. We will suffer. I always vote against them in the primary and for whoever wins in the general. Need term limits. Power and greed ruins them. My grandson was born 6 weeks early. Could have been legally aborted in several states.i love him.

The problem is that not everyone votes in the primary.

I don't know all the reasons people have late term abortions. If you didn't want the child, why didn't you do it sooner and if you are that far along, why not give it up for adoption. It must be a mental breakdown. I know some do it because some diseases can't be identified until the later stages of the pregnancy. Some people don't have the strength to start out a new family life with a special needs child. They went from having great plans to spending the rest of their life taking care of this person. I hope I would have had the strength not to do it if it was my child but fortunately I never had to make that choice. They may also be done in order to save the mother's life. I have heard some say it is never necessary while others say there are valid medical reasons.

 

[MtPockets]

Ok this thread can get ugly or we can have a thoughtful dialogue on why.

How about we start with how many of these mass shootings may have been prevented if government did their job? Many of the mass shooters were known, interviewed and cut loose even with social media posted violence statements? Red Flag laws go after folks on far less but yet the FBI, state and local law enforcement and even school officials fail to do whatever is required to restrict these known violent people? This is not a general across the board LEO bash so don't go down that road, this is directed at those who investigated and turned these people loose. We have a process that identifies high risk potential shooters, they are interviewed and yet this system fails to protect us. If someone trips a potential high risk shooter red flag, how the hell are they being turned loose?

We need answers on this egregious system failure before anything else can be considered IMO. We need to push our representatives to get answers. What corrective preventive actions MUST be taken by those Agencies and Education to stop a potential shooter?

This thread got seriously derailed, like, 39 or so pages ago but let's get back to talking about the original question.

What can be done to prevent these situations?

I admit to not knowing the entire situation but I'm hoping the LE in our midst will chime in. I realize, too, that since they were in all likelihood not present either in the Texas incident, that their first hand knowledge is also somewhat limited.

I'd like to look in particular at the 77 minutes that LE on the scene held back? Like Muddyboots stated in the original post, this isnt about bashing LE but merely an attempt to learn.
It seems like one of the other shootings, maybe in Florida, also had a delayed response? What was the reasoning?

Personally, I am an advocate of allowing any school staff who has been vetted and trained to be anonamosly armed.

Any thoughts, especially from LE?

 

[JimFromTN]

Once again your interpretation skills amaze me......

Its cognitive skills. I have been trying to help you strengthen yours.

 

[Orange Dust]

This thread got seriously derailed, like, 39 or so pages ago but let's get back to talking about the original question.

What can be done to prevent these situations?

I admit to not knowing the entire situation but I'm hoping the LE in our midst will chime in. I realize, too, that since they were in all likelihood not present either in the Texas incident, that their first hand knowledge is also somewhat limited.

I'd like to look in particular at the 77 minutes that LE on the scene held back? Like Muddyboots stated in the original post, this isnt about bashing LE but merely an attempt to learn.
It seems like one of the other shootings, maybe in Florida, also had a delayed response? What was the reasoning?

Personally, I am an advocate of allowing any school staff who has been vetted and trained to be anonamosly armed.

Any thoughts, especially from LE?

There were many mistakes made that will be repeated if we don't honestly address them and look for better procedures. Washington just wants to use it for political gain, which is terrible. They could easily fund improvements to security but choose not to. We need to run them out of our schools and put them back under local control. Then we could secure them. That would ve a good start. I would sure vote for the local tax increase to fund it here.

 

[JimFromTN]

That doesn't exist, at least not in the context that it is typically used in. Still not sure where this ever came from.

Its the first amendment

"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances."

Its what is known as the establishment clause. We are a secular nation which means we are officially neutral in matters of religion. There are arguments about it kind of like the whole militia thing in the 2nd amendment. It does not necessarily mean you can't put in god we trust on the dollar bill but it does mean that you can't declare christianity as the national religion and then start creating laws because they are in the Bible. You can put religious quotes on courthouses as long as you let all religions put quotes on those courthouses.

 

[MtPockets]

There were many mistakes made that will be repeated if we don't honestly address them and look for better procedures. Washington just wants to use it for political gain, which is terrible. They could easily fund improvements to security but choose not to. We need to run them out of our schools and put them back under local control. Then we could secure them. That would ve a good start. I would sure vote for the local tax increase to fund it here.

I agree that school security could be upgraded, I dont see this as a school only problem. Wasnt there also a shooting at a grocery store recently?
It isnt JUST a school issue.