No offense taken, I shot 870 & 500 pumpers for years, stepped up to 1100 auto loaders when I got older and had more $. When I got into doubles, obsolete L.C. Smith's (SXS in general), and the like were just not my bag, fit was a problem with the Jap imports, had no interest in the Turks, etc..Came across the Italians and Bingo! Fit like a glove, sold all my heavy steel 1100's and switched to Benelli autos and Beretta O/U's. I still have the 500, 870, and a Red Label. But for my torso and LOP the off the shelf Italian SG's fit better.