M1A and 6.5 CM fans ...

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Risk analysis, market research, and other contingency plan of a business strategy of an organization is not the same as "It's all in how it's justified to the consumer." They do not have to justify to consumers that M1A to be anything other than a .308 is blasphemy.

 

[MudRunner2005]

I don't know. Seems like hitting what your aiming at, fast and often, is a decent combination.

You are 100% correct, and the M1A can do that as-is (.308 Win), within it's limitations very well. But outside of that 500-600 yard accuracy limitation the rifle itself has, it won't matter what cartridge it's chambered for. You can buy and/or load your own match .308 Win ammo for the same price as match 6.5CM ammo. Therefore having an M1A in 6.5CM is nothing more than just another chambering option, and not some super-progressive step forward, although every gun media rag and their brother has been hyping it up and whoring it out already. Unless SA decides to start buying Bartlein, Brux, or Rock Creek blanks for their M1A's of all calibers to increase their rifles' accuracy. Those rifles were never designed to perform better than 1.5 to 2 MOA, even the National Match models.

Don't get me wrong, I love the M1A rifles, and would love to own one, but I can't afford it. That has nothing to do with my opinion of this new chambering (for them) that they are attempting to boost sales with.

 

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6.5" at 1000 yards using factory ammo is not too shabby in this non-M1A expert's opinion ...

 

[Mike 338]

You are 100% correct, and the M1A can do that as-is (.308 Win), within it's limitations very well. But outside of that 500-600 yard accuracy limitation the rifle itself has, it won't matter what cartridge it's chambered for. You can buy and/or load your own match .308 Win ammo for the same price as match 6.5CM ammo. Therefore having an M1A in 6.5CM is nothing more than just another chambering option, and not some super-progressive step forward, although every gun media rag and their brother has been hyping it up and whoring it out already. Unless SA decides to start buying Bartlein, Brux, or Rock Creek blanks for their M1A's of all calibers to increase their rifles' accuracy. Those rifles were never designed to perform better than 1.5 to 2 MOA, even the National Match models.

Don't get me wrong, I love the M1A rifles, and would love to own one, but I can't afford it. That has nothing to do with my opinion of this new chambering (for them) that they are attempting to boost sales with.

Not a M1A guy but just looking at that Guns America video, it seems like there could be some potential there to stretch the effective range out more than just a tiny bit.

 

[MudRunner2005]

Not a M1A guy but just looking at that Guns America video, it seems like there could be some potential there to stretch the effective range out more than just a tiny bit.

No doubt, and if Springfield has actually IMPROVED the M1A's production practices and parts that every M1A out there is going to be able to obtain these levels of accuracy (instead of them putting out a few unicorn prototypes to the gun media sites to get the hype up, and then the production models aren't quite as accurate) then I guess the $2,100 price tag is not as bad as it seemed before. But it's still a bit on the pricey side, but, you expect the high price tag from a SA product. Your average person will still go out and build an AR-10 or buy a 6.5CM bolt gun for 1/2 to 2/3 of that and produce the same effect.

 

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Clay pretty much sums up the target audience in this video ...

 

[MudRunner2005]

Oh God... So now he's trying to say the 6.5CM has become "this generation's" .308 Win? Anyone else's skin crawl when he said that? He's insinuating that the .308 Win is old and outdated... That's the typical car salesman pitch, telling you what you want to hear, by putting down last year's "old and outdated" model to try to sell you this year's model for a much higher price and much juicier commission. Anyone who's messed with a .308 Win with modern bullets, brass, and powder knows that "old and outdated" line is bullcrap.

Then again, the 6.5CM is pretty comparable to the idiot hipsters of this generation...So, maybe it is...But only until the next coolest trend comes along, then they'll all decide to become .338 Lapuas...Oh wait, .300 WinMags. Crap! .26 Noslers? Dammit! They've already trend-whored all those out, too. HAHAHA!!!

 

[Capt RB]

Oh God... So now he's trying to say the 6.5CM has become "this generation's" .308 Win? Anyone else's skin crawl when he said that? He's insinuating that the .308 Win is old and outdated... That's the typical car salesman pitch, telling you what you want to hear, by putting down last year's "old and outdated" model to try to sell you this year's model for a much higher price and much juicier commission. Anyone who's messed with a .308 Win with modern bullets, brass, and powder knows that "old and outdated" line is bullcrap.

Then again, the 6.5CM is pretty comparable to the idiot hipsters of this generation...So, maybe it is...But only until the next coolest trend comes along, then they'll all decide to become .338 Lapuas...Oh wait, .300 WinMags. Crap! .26 Noslers? Dammit! They've already trend-whored all those out, too. HAHAHA!!!

At least your persistent Mud

 

[Capt RB]

 

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Oh God... So now he's trying to say the 6.5CM has become "this generation's" .308 Win? Anyone else's skin crawl when he said that? He's insinuating that the .308 Win is old and outdated... That's the typical car salesman pitch, telling you what you want to hear, by putting down last year's "old and outdated" model to try to sell you this year's model for a much higher price and much juicier commission. Anyone who's messed with a .308 Win with modern bullets, brass, and powder knows that "old and outdated" line is bullcrap.

Then again, the 6.5CM is pretty comparable to the idiot hipsters of this generation...So, maybe it is...But only until the next coolest trend comes along, then they'll all decide to become .338 Lapuas...Oh wait, .300 WinMags. Crap! .26 Noslers? Dammit! They've already trend-whored all those out, too. HAHAHA!!!

Actually what I got out from it is that you are definitely "not" their target audience and I am pretty sure they are OK with it. Not meeting their set price point and lack of objectivity pretty much factored you out of the equation ... it's really that simple.

 

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At least your persistent Mud

You Sir is blessed with kindness.

 

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Sweet! I like this guys candor, IIRC he's a LRH member ...

 

[MudRunner2005]

Actually what I got out from it is that you are definitely "not" their target audience and I am pretty sure they are OK with it. Not meeting their set price point and lack of objectivity pretty much factored you out of the equation ... it's really that simple.

I know, but it's still an internet forum where opinions are shared. And even my dissenting opinion is just as relevant as your approving opinion. They're all opinions, and they're only worth how much stock we put into them, and if someone else wants to put stock in them as well, that's great, if not, that's their choice.

Also, I am quite objective (in general), as we all are, despite trying to remain unbiased when reading/studying new guns and cartridges. If I were lacking objectivity, I would be unbiased towards it, and would be very open and accepting.

 

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I know, but it's still an internet forum where opinions are shared. And even my dissenting opinion is just as relevant as your approving opinion. They're all opinions, and they're only worth how much stock we put into them, and if someone else wants to put stock in them as well, that's great, if not, that's their choice.

Also, I am quite objective (in general), as we all are, despite trying to remain unbiased when reading/studying new guns and cartridges. If I were lacking objectivity, I would be unbiased towards it, and would be very open and accepting.

I guess your definition of objectivity is different than mine. Sorry but there is a very clear distinction and definitive difference between my opinion and yours; I remain objective, open, and free of bias about a new product. Primarily because I do not have the rifle in question or a real world experience (not pure speculations and unwarranted claims) otherwise I lack credibility and validity to the claim. If I do have the rifle and real world experience, I would gladly share them as-is for others to decipher.