Lots of People like to bash brands.

[DJ Fergus]

I've owned 3 Browning xbolts and still have one. A fellow was interested in buying one. I simply stated that I probably wouldn't buy another myself but he may indeed be pleased with the particular model he was looking at. I did state my concerns with two of them I owned which was a legitimate issue: the twist was different than advertised as twist was physically measured. I didn't add any negative comments. Just facts. That doesn't mean there aren't people who own xbolts that shoot great. I also added the comment that those two rifles shot well with bullets appropriate for the actual twist that they had. Not bashing but facts. I do have a Browning light gold shot gun that I'm very fond of. I have a Leupold rangfinder that I am fond of. I don't attack brands. I do reserve the right to be cautious about what I purchase based on experience just as well as I reserve the right to consider that I may want to give it another try. Never say never. Folks are to eager to get on the bandwagon: they love brand xyz and thats all they will ever buy again from here until eternity. They hate brand zxy and you can't even pay them to ever use that brand again. I admit I'm overly reluctant on some products and probably to eager about others. It is what it is, human nature. No need to loose much sleep over any of it. Use what works for you and it's not the end of the world if someone doesn't agree with you about it.

 

[Ross1147]

So my first "expensive" scope I purchased was a Leupold VX-6HD for my first custom rifle. This was my first Leupold scope I had purchased. First time taking it to the range, first shot dust flew up inside the scope and settled on the inside around the reticle. By the time that shooting session was over there was 3 separate black specks inside the scope. Called up Leupold and had them send me a shipping label that day. Had the scope back in 7 days flat. Tried to get them to pony up the cash for the rounds I already shot considering I'd have to sight the gun in again but that didn't happen.lol. I ended up loving that scope so much I just purchased my 4th Leupold scope 2 nights ago. As long as a company stands by their product and makes it right I'll continue to use them.

And for added proof the emails below.

 

[lancetkenyon]

Hence the point of this thread. I want to see proof !
I don't doubt that you sent your steiner back. Just want to see what actually was wrong/fixed or not .
Until I see some actual proof I tend to believe the bashing is "something you heard from someone else"

Here is what was wrong with my personal Steiner T5Xi scope. Believe what you want.

Canted reticle
Reticle was not black, more like a light grey. Bad etching is my guess.
Specks on internal lenses
Tracking not within spec
Turrets not functioning correctly
Parallax way off (if clear target, parallax was off and reticle shifted. If Parallax set, target was blurry)
Between parallax and diopter, they would not mesh, never could get both clear after hours of setting diopter
Mag ring had almost 1x of adjustment slop
Clarity issues (big time)

 

[rustyshackleford]

I just recently bought a Nikon from Eurooptic. Upon mounting it, it wouldn't hold zero. Now, because it had been mounted it wasn't eligible to be returned to eurooptic. Silly me should have optic testing equipment on hand. So I had to reach out to Nikon and they will probably fix it. It's the first Nikon I ever bought so not a good impression and certainly the last purchase I'll make from eurooptic.

 

[Ranger Rick]

Not sure what direction you're coming from on this, but I'll bite. The documentation of scope failures I mentioned in a different thread were:

A. Personal documentation.
Documented in notebooks that i created for each rifle i worked on. That data simply recorded group sizes (sometimes photos) at the point of suspected failure or in some cases, dramatic failure. Sometimes it showed extreme vertical stringing or double printing.
I would then test and log group info when scope was returned from repair. On post repair, i would go back to most accurate load i had at least partially developed at point of failure. Groups always improved and/or vertical stringing/double printing went away on repaired units.

No, I'm not going to spend 2 hours digging all of that info out for the purpose of this thread.

B. Leupold Repair Invoices.
I always instructed customers to contact Leupold directly about warranty repair on their optic. We found that was the best approach to getting a scope into the repair process quickly without getting into an argument with the techs at Leupold. Having said that, I personally looked at each and every invoice upon scope return to verify scope was repaired. In all but one case, the invoices have shown parts replaced usually in the erector mechanism. I always sent the paperwork home with the customers after the job was done. Should i have made photo copies? Maybe. Do i feel the need to offer proof to someone on the internet that I'm not lying? No, i really don't care at the end of the day.

I agree; next thing, someone will ask for documentation at camp LOL I generally don't save receipts, but my wife does

 

[SCSCHNUR]

Interesting you being one of the most vocal on slamming a brand but still no proof.

Certainly did yesterday over and over. Doesn't care for Leupold made that clear didn't he.

 

[DJ Fergus]

I just recently bought a Nikon from Eurooptic. Upon mounting it, it wouldn't hold zero. Now, because it had been mounted it wasn't eligible to be returned to eurooptic. Silly me should have optic testing equipment on hand. So I had to reach out to Nikon and they will probably fix it. It's the first Nikon I ever bought so not a good impression and certainly the last purchase I'll make from eurooptic.

Just curious about what model it was. I'm not looking to criticize or second guess anything you stated. Like I said just curious.

 

[6.5-300 BEE]

Scopes are really simple.
1. If your rifle costs more than your scope you screwed up.
2. If you're going on an expensive hunt, carry a sighted in spare.
3. Stick with rugged simple scopes. A 1-8 designed for the SEALs is far better than a 4-30 designed for benchrest.

 

[Rafael Lopez]

I've been a part of this forum for a few years now, and noticed that there are plenty of guys that like to make it known when they don't like product.
So I'm curious if admin allows, anyone that truly had an issue with an optic, and has sent it back. Would post a copy of the work order that the manufacture gave you after they did or did not fix it.
I guess my point is if you had a poblem with an optic and sent it in for repair I'd like to see proof.
If you are running your mouth about some problem a guy you met at the range said his brother's buddy had, and you have no proof I don't need your opinion.

I completely agree. Totally on point.

 

[DJ Fergus]

I see alot of folks bash certain brands of brass that I happen to be ok with. Brass is probably my most sensitive subject of the whole LR shooting topic. I admit that I guess I have bashed Hornady brass at one time & now I'm rethinking it. I know there is better brass out there but I would give the Hornady another try under certain circumstances and accept it for what it is. I don't think there is a single one of us on here who probably hasn't complained about something on the topic of shooting. It's just a matter of how long we hold on to that thought and get past it nagging us.

 

[Scooter 45ACP]

I've been a part of this forum for a few years now, and noticed that there are plenty of guys that like to make it known when they don't like product.
So I'm curious if admin allows, anyone that truly had an issue with an optic, and has sent it back. Would post a copy of the work order that the manufacture gave you after they did or did not fix it.
I guess my point is if you had a poblem with an optic and sent it in for repair I'd like to see proof.
If you are running your mouth about some problem a guy you met at the range said his brother's buddy had, and you have no proof I don't need your opinion.

You'll find the same ole same ole no matter what forum you're reading, this person had a friend, brother, uncle or x's step dad that said some xXxXx brand wasn't worth a **** but they don't furnish paperwork to support the claim, always just hearsay. I've found it best to just try whatever and then form my own opinion then I know without getting deranged opinions

 

[antelopedundee]

Nobody is perfect and some swear by them and some swear at them. If you have a legitimate beef some sort of proof from the manufacturer attesting to that would be nice.

I don't have to like something because someone else does nor do I need to hate it because someone else hates it.

 

[lancetkenyon]

Scopes are really simple.
1. If your rifle costs more than your scope you screwed up.
2. If you're going on an expensive hunt, carry a sighted in spare.
3. Stick with rugged simple scopes. A 1-8 designed for the SEALs is far better than a 4-30 designed for benchrest.

1. So $3500 ZCOs, $3700 Tangents, $2800-3400 S&Bs on $4000-6000 customs are no good? Gotcha.
2. I usually take 2 extra rifles and a spare scope. Good call for sure.
3. Great advice for 90% of hunting situations.

 

[UplandFreak]

Not sure what direction you're coming from on this, but I'll bite. The documentation of scope failures I mentioned in a different thread were:

A. Personal documentation.
Documented in notebooks that i created for each rifle i worked on. That data simply recorded group sizes (sometimes photos) at the point of suspected failure or in some cases, dramatic failure. Sometimes it showed extreme vertical stringing or double printing.
I would then test and log group info when scope was returned from repair. On post repair, i would go back to most accurate load i had at least partially developed at point of failure. Groups always improved and/or vertical stringing/double printing went away on repaired units.

No, I'm not going to spend 2 hours digging all of that info out for the purpose of this thread.

B. Leupold Repair Invoices.
I always instructed customers to contact Leupold directly about warranty repair on their optic. We found that was the best approach to getting a scope into the repair process quickly without getting into an argument with the techs at Leupold. Having said that, I personally looked at each and every invoice upon scope return to verify scope was repaired. In all but one case, the invoices have shown parts replaced usually in the erector mechanism. I always sent the paperwork home with the customers after the job was done. Should i have made photo copies? Maybe. Do i feel the need to offer proof to someone on the internet that I'm not lying? No, i really don't care at the end of the day.

Congratulations for inspiring this thread