If I'm not mistaken, the elite hunters have the hybrid ogive making them not as sensitive to seating depth. However, that is also what they said about the nobler ref bullets, but those are extremely sensitive to depth.Holy crap! Nice! The elite hunters are a little longer than the VLD so seating depth is gonna have to be changed... I assume? I also tried the 4831 but it didn't shoot as well for me. I would like to try the retumbo though, I don't know anything about it so is it temp sensitive?