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In Praise of 3-Lug Bolts
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Danehunter
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I am very uncomfortable with a two lug bolt having receiver contact with only one lug.
This means that undue stress is placed on the lug in contact AND the bolt face will tilt toward the non-contacting lug during ignition. This latter is not conducive to broker bullet alignment in the throat of the barrel, to say the least.
I go with Gene's recommendation of checking contact area with Prussian blue machinists
marker to check every new rifle for proper lug contact.
This means that undue stress is placed on the lug in contact AND the bolt face will tilt toward the non-contacting lug during ignition. This latter is not conducive to broker bullet alignment in the throat of the barrel, to say the least.
I go with Gene's recommendation of checking contact area with Prussian blue machinists
marker to check every new rifle for proper lug contact.
gohring3006
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The bolt is already tilted from the trigger pushing up on the rear of the bolt. The ejector is always tilting the case when in battery. But I agree that both lugs contacting are better. It just doesn't happen all of the time and good results are obtainable, with only one contact during static observation. But when fired both lugs contact. It pushes the trigger pressure down and the ejector in. I know it doesn't seem right, but I have a rifle that shoots very well and the only explanation I can come up with, good barrel,trigger, load and this dynamic happening with in the action and barrel.
Ummm...Isn't the Nosler action just a modified Howa?? Just sayin...
Jokostel
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I keep hearing that.
Nosler says no... and my take is that they are correct.
I've handled my share of rifles... be it high end custom or low end trash( aftterwhich a large amount of purell was used).
They don't feel anything like them... nor look like them ( to me anyways).
Nevermind the fact that Nosler is supposedly using Basix triggers and PacNor barrels... overall, for a semi-custom weapon 1499$ out the door is still a pretty **** nice deal...
Your run of the mill coin flip junker M700 is 1000$ now, sans the Long Range model which is about 699. On a side bar, I picked up one of those in 300 RUM... she does about 1/2 MOA @ 200 yards with the 175 TMK and 93 of RL25.
Nosler says no... and my take is that they are correct.
I've handled my share of rifles... be it high end custom or low end trash( aftterwhich a large amount of purell was used).
They don't feel anything like them... nor look like them ( to me anyways).
Nevermind the fact that Nosler is supposedly using Basix triggers and PacNor barrels... overall, for a semi-custom weapon 1499$ out the door is still a pretty **** nice deal...
Your run of the mill coin flip junker M700 is 1000$ now, sans the Long Range model which is about 699. On a side bar, I picked up one of those in 300 RUM... she does about 1/2 MOA @ 200 yards with the 175 TMK and 93 of RL25.
Anyway....The Nosler is a Howa, or Vanguard action.
Not debating if a basix trigger or pac-nor barrel makes it worth it. You slammed all Weatherby rifles then praised Nosler, which is the same thing....just wondering...
Jokostel
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Your opinion, smartass..
Jokostel
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I got no prob with the Nosler rifles, i think they are nice...Your in Bismarck? Where do you shoot? Maybe we could help each other out...
Jon
Danehunter
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Well, it's been a while since I began this thread so there's an UPDATE:
1. I kept the 6.5 CM RAP and put a Timmy trigger on it and a Boyd's Classic laminated stock. Today at the Boulder City range I was getting 1" to 1.25" groups at 200 yards until the wind picked up to about 15 - 20 mph. Love Ruger barrels and Timmy triggers. And the Boyd's stock is really an accuracy stick with the V-block bedding and weighing exactly 1 lb. more than the plastic Ruger stock.I was shooting 143 gr. Hornady Precision Hunter ELD-X ammo. Soon I'll reload for it but the ELD-X is certainly match grade ammo.
2. Last year I bought that 6.5 CM Ruger Precision rifle and it is easily a 1/2 MOA rifle with 140 gr. Hornady ELD-M cartridges. The scope is a Bushnell ERS 3.5 - 21 x 50 with H59 reticle. Great scope!
I've discovered that I'm as accurate with the RPR using my Atlas bipod and CTK monopod on a bench as I am with my cast iron bench rest and rear bag.The monopod is like having micrometer adjustability in getting back on target after each shot.
Eric B.
1. I kept the 6.5 CM RAP and put a Timmy trigger on it and a Boyd's Classic laminated stock. Today at the Boulder City range I was getting 1" to 1.25" groups at 200 yards until the wind picked up to about 15 - 20 mph. Love Ruger barrels and Timmy triggers. And the Boyd's stock is really an accuracy stick with the V-block bedding and weighing exactly 1 lb. more than the plastic Ruger stock.I was shooting 143 gr. Hornady Precision Hunter ELD-X ammo. Soon I'll reload for it but the ELD-X is certainly match grade ammo.
2. Last year I bought that 6.5 CM Ruger Precision rifle and it is easily a 1/2 MOA rifle with 140 gr. Hornady ELD-M cartridges. The scope is a Bushnell ERS 3.5 - 21 x 50 with H59 reticle. Great scope!
I've discovered that I'm as accurate with the RPR using my Atlas bipod and CTK monopod on a bench as I am with my cast iron bench rest and rear bag.The monopod is like having micrometer adjustability in getting back on target after each shot.
Eric B.
sable tireur
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Just for amusement, here is a short list of the 3-lug actions currently available:
JP Enterprises MR-10™ Bolt Action Rifle
Ultimatum Action has a floating three lug bolt head
Modern Outfitters MR-1 Titanium 3-lug action
GAP Tempest 3-lug action
Curtis Custom Axiom and Vector 3-lug actions
Browning A-Bolt
BAT Machine 3LL or 3L
Browning X-Bolt
T/C Icon & Venture
Badger Ordnance M2008 or M2013
Sako 85, TRG
Sauer 101, 202
Steyr Scout, SSG, Prohunter
Mauser M12
Ruger American
AI AE
Cooper
JP Enterprises MR-10™ Bolt Action Rifle
Ultimatum Action has a floating three lug bolt head
Modern Outfitters MR-1 Titanium 3-lug action
GAP Tempest 3-lug action
Curtis Custom Axiom and Vector 3-lug actions
Browning A-Bolt
BAT Machine 3LL or 3L
Browning X-Bolt
T/C Icon & Venture
Badger Ordnance M2008 or M2013
Sako 85, TRG
Sauer 101, 202
Steyr Scout, SSG, Prohunter
Mauser M12
Ruger American
AI AE
Cooper
I have to agree strongly! I never thought much of the Rutgers I owned in the past but I bought the Ruger Precision rifle in 6.5CM after seeing the performance of one owned by a buddy. Not only is it exceptionally accurate, but like yourself, benchrest performance can be obtained just using my Atlas with a rear Triad bag...bench or prone. Great ergonomics!! Mine has a Vortex AMG mounted. I use this rifle for PRS.
One of several groups like this shot off my Atlas with handloads.
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Danehunter
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Thank you Sable T,
That's exactly the list I wnted.
Eric B.
That's exactly the list I wnted.
Eric B.
sable tireur
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Litehiker,
You're welcome. As I stated, this is more than likely a short list as I think there are more that could be on this list but I didn't scour my resources deeply.
CADEX Defense makes a 50 degree 4-lug action (CDX-R7)
DOLPHIN actions (UK)
CST DGC actions
Jarrett Tri-Lock receiver
Fierce Triad action
Barnard model SM
Rowa Titan3 (rifle system)
K.S. Arms
Regards.
You're welcome. As I stated, this is more than likely a short list as I think there are more that could be on this list but I didn't scour my resources deeply.
CADEX Defense makes a 50 degree 4-lug action (CDX-R7)
DOLPHIN actions (UK)
CST DGC actions
Jarrett Tri-Lock receiver
Fierce Triad action
Barnard model SM
Rowa Titan3 (rifle system)
K.S. Arms
Regards.
