Dang kids grow like root vegetables nowadays. Just leave it and save the money for eggs and ammo.
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Improving the 308 Win performance
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nralifer
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I clearly remember my first encounter with a shot gun. It was my father's 12ga side by side. I still have it. It weighs 7.5 lbs. I was 10 y/o at the time and the gun was too long so I naturally "adjusted" and put the but of the stock under my arm. Blam!!! Hit the box I was aiming at but bruised my upper lip on the break action toggle. Loved it!! Could not wait to shoot it again. Up to then I had only shot 22LR.
BillLarson
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I see this happen alot at the range..... esp. with a young man teaching his girlfriend to shoot......
TERRIBLE BAD THING....
If your teaching a new frail shooter..... dont hand them a 7 mag. or a 44 mag pistol....!!!!
Kentuckywindage
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A number of video's on YouTube to go with your point Bill. Some with people hurt and worse with weapons that never should've been in their hands at that point in learning. One auto in particular.
Kentuckywindage
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When starting to learn to shoot and saftey, dad said no double barrels, (his buddies were two brothers who squirrel hunted with him on occasion. One evening he didn't go and the brother who carried an old saftey button double snapped it together behind his younger brother. The gun went off. Taking off most of the younger brothers head.) or semi auto's. First a single shot 22, single shotgun and a single action 22 pistol later. He insisted on a pump shotgun until I was out of his house. Semi 22 rifle, a High Standard 22 9shot double action, 30-30 Model 94 and an over and under 22 mag - 12gauge was there before I moved out. I then went semi auto stuff. That experience of the brothers stayed with him his entire life. He said I was working in the yard when they came back out of the holler. The one brother screaming as their car went by holding the other. Someone else was with them that evening. Can't remember who but that really doesn't matter.
BillLarson
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Good Lesson for us all........ I grew up with guns....
dad and brothers all hunted with rifle and shotgun....they were 6 years older than me....
my dad and brothers all taught me....
I attended Hunters Safety class with my 2 sons..... in 1979......
Does`nt hurt to refresh......
So I shot three rounds to make sure it was on paper at 25yds. The recoil was slightly more than a 223 out of an AR, which is to say hardly none.
He put 20 rounds through it and didn't bat an eye. He really liked shooting it.
I use the 130 Barnes out of a 18" and the recoil is next to nothing. AA2460 is the powder I use. Just a FYI and a great deer and hog hunting bullet.
Kentuckywindage
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I still have my hunters saftey card from 6th grade.
graywolf
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I've been using the 120 gr Barnes TAC-TX in my 20" .308. With 51 gr of Tac powder I get 3192 fps. It's taken a few animals over the past couple years including 2 cow elk less than 200 yards DRT. The BC is .358, which isn't too bad. If there was a 130 gr BD2 with higher BC I would try it.
BTW I just received 100 150 gr BD2s to start playing with, they are nice looking bullets. Think I will start with testing Varget, Tac, and N150. Has anyone tried superformance?
BTW I just received 100 150 gr BD2s to start playing with, they are nice looking bullets. Think I will start with testing Varget, Tac, and N150. Has anyone tried superformance?
Kentuckywindage
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Seems folks in this thread are using Hodgdon LEVERolution with 150 BD2's. Getting good results it seems also.
graywolf
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Yeah, I found some LVR and will probably end up buying some but I'd like to use what I already have, and ideally find a temp stable powder.
Recoil from the 280 Rem cannot be blamed on getting scope bit. The 280 Rem does have a bit of a recoil, but it is still moderate, that is unless it's being shot with some hopped up handload. Getting scope bit comes from either not having the eye relief set right on the rifle, which is probably not the case since your brother in law shoots it. The issue was that the rifle was not being shot from a good shooting position and not held tight enough letting the recoil push the entire rifle scope included back to bite the eye. A .308 also has a moderate recoil and if shot from a good position, held tight against the shoulder the body should recoil along with the rifle preventing any issue with the scope biting the eye. Cabelas has shirts available that have recoil pad inserts that take a lot of the recoil out of any rifle including the magnums. As far as hunting ammo for the .308 I use 40.5 gr of IMR 4895 with a 165 gr Nosler partition bullet. I also use the 168 gr Nosler HPBT match bullet for practice since it's much cheaper than the partition. These loads approximate the ballistics of military Lake City Match ammo,b oth of those loads chrono out at around 2600 fps out of a 24 inch barrel and are deadly on Whitetail Deer out to 300 yards. With my Winchester Model 70 .308 I can shoot either of those rounds interchangeably with absolutely no change in zero. When he is up for a little more recoil, and I do mean very little more than the 110 gr you are now shooting. Give it a try.
