Impact to tip of a critter

[fordy]

Gday
Impact to tip of a critter is one I learned a lot of a bloke I admire a lot of how he approaches/looks @ different scenarios of a individual expectation's & acceptance
So I'm personally no where near as hard on peoples choices these days ( except DG as to me that should have no compromises but still room for improvement Imo ) & I try to get to understand a little more of the individual before I go & give my thoughts & thank carl I do for that

Now id like to leave out if the pill ( yes @Taco John the projectile ) dosent work as advertised by the company as that just divides us as a hunting community which to me is stupid as we should be banding together but the old brand name & love for it good or bad gets in way of reality imo which I'd like not to enter that here & more along the lines of

A fair bit has been filtering through of person A not happy with results yet backlash from person B so Let's step back clear our heads , take a breath & hopefully understand why some people are happy with a dead critter that may have taken 15/30 seconds to tip just like that 15/30 seconds is unacceptable to another individual

now impact to tip can be time & or distance so what are ones thoughts on this very subject

Mine are I want the quickest possible impact to tip over various angles
My aim is a 5 second /10 yard or less personal rule but a high bangflop ratio with no CNS shots built into that over those various angles & I need numbers to confirm this as a one off or a couple will ultimately give Murphy a opening to something I don't personally like

Now reality is definitely different to my aim but I've got some combos that can comfortably do this others are left wanting a lot & the search for me personally is one I'm still on to find the better mouse trap which I'm happy to see some companies showing real progress in raising the bar

Tomorrow looks a little interesting for this nut job but one I accept some are just happy with pills of yesterday and that i think is important to understand imo

Gotta run & hope I have relayed what I'm trying to get @

No proof read
Cheers

 

[memtb]

"Proof Read" is apparently not necessary, it makes perfect sense…..I think!

I often wonder, probably not often enough….. if I've chosen a good ,perhaps not perfect, general purpose "projectile" for much of the animals from our American Coyote to the occasional African Cape Buffalo!

This above, is obviously based upon proper "projectile" placement.

Perhaps this is my never ending desire for "cartridge/projectile" validation!

Looking forward to Part II memtb


Addendum: I did "proof read"….. and am still not certain what I just wrote!

 

[fordy]

"Proof Read" is apparently not necessary, it makes perfect sense…..I think!

I often wonder, probably not often enough….. if I've chosen a good ,perhaps not perfect, general purpose "projectile" for much of the animals from our American Coyote to the occasional African Cape Buffalo!

This above, is obviously based upon proper "projectile" placement.

Perhaps this is my never ending desire for "cartridge/projectile" validation!

Looking forward to Part II memtb


Addendum: I did "proof read"….. and am still not certain what I just wrote!

Gday memtb

I think you just wrote
I'm looking @ switching up from Barnes

must be true as I've not even had a bundy
Cheers

 

[RichCoyle]

I can remember thirty-seven blacktail immediately. Maybe by tomorrow I will remember more. I will check my notes and try to make a contribution here.

 

[unclecroc]

I look for down inside 50 yards or 15 seconds. It's not crucial to have a Drt but I'm no great tracker either. I have a few combos that accomplish this goal on whitetails handily.

 

[RichCoyle]

fordy,

I lost track of this thread. The info is in the "general" section.

 

[M77Fan]

animals killed with what?

fordy asked posters for info of their kills with which bullet. I spent the whole afternoon compiling the following info. Maybe one of you smart folks could move this to his thread, please. .454 Casull, Freedom Arms 260 grain bullet @ 1900 fps, blacktail buck, 7-8 yards, center chest, drop at...

www.longrangehunting.com

Fordy, Rich Coyle answered you in a new thread. See the above thread for his answer.

 

[GLTaylor]

A lot of this depends on where you hunt.
If you are out west where shots are usually longer and the animal is (usually) in sight for a good while, then a little longer time to tip may be OK?
An exception may be hunting in high country where you want the animal to be anchored immediately.
In the East, shots are usually shorter. In many areas, if a deer runs any distance, you find yourself in briers, cane, swamp, etc. Not a place you want to be.
Me? I want a Very short time to tip. 10 yards on a shoulder shot sounds good. Never over 50 yds, even better

 

[Koda_]

Magic bullets don't exist. Too much on this forum lately looking for the perfect bullet.

If your constantly tracking game its either the bullet or your marksmanship.
If your not usually tracking game, then stop looking for a better bullet.

With any bullet occasionally your gonna have to track game, this doesn't mean the bullet failed.

Its that simple now go hunt.

 

[Brathany]

Magic bullets don't exist. Too much on this forum lately looking for the perfect bullet.

If your constantly tracking game its either the bullet or your marksmanship.
If your not usually tracking game, then stop looking for a better bullet.

With any bullet occasionally your gonna have to track game, this doesn't mean the bullet failed.

Its that simple now go hunt.

SNAP!

 

[Turpentine21]

I'm gonna condense as I don't keep really good notes. Maybe you can use some of this but I know you usually mess with bigger animals. I want an animal to drop in his tracks. Most of the animals I shoot do just that. Not all, but most. I will try to keep a notebook this coming year. I'll try to list the outliers I can remember as most deer I shoot seem to go down at the shot.
Year 2024 Whitetail Doe. 70 to 115 pounds Count 71 6.5 Grendel, 123 eldm. MV 2550fps Distance 50-450 yards mostly mid to high shoulder shots, a few neck and head shots, and some shots in the crease or quartering slightly to or away. Roughly 90 percent dropped at the shot. The following were the exceptions.

5 Chest shot behind shoulder average run around 40 yards then piled up. A couple made it 70 yards

2 different deer, running shots hit squarely in hams broadside at approx 150 yards. Continued to run 45 more yards before slowing down and were capped off immediately there with shoulder shots

1 doe 350 yards, broadside, diaphragm and gut hit, dropped, got up, dropped with shoulder shot.

Year 2024 Whitetail Doe. Count 18. Weight 75 -115 pounds
6.5 Creedmore gas 20" barrel with 123 eldm at 2775 or Winchester Deer Season 125 at approx 2750. Range 75-300 yards. 16 mid to high shoulder shots dropped at shot or down within 5 yards. 1 at 300 yards with DS125 hit behind shoulder. Went 25 yards and piled up. 1 large doe running at 75 yards hit broadside mid shoulder with DS 125. Skidded 7 yards and done.

Year 2024 Whitetail Doe. Count 9 Weight 75 -120 pounds
6.5-06. 26" barrel, Lapua Brass, H 1000, 147 eldm at 2936fps
Range 1 at 72 yards in crease, DRT. 4 between 400 and 500 yards. 3 dropped on spot. 1 took a step as I fired. Hit mid spine, dropped. Finished with quick shoulder shot.
Shot three more between 540 and 600 yards. Hit two mid to high shoulder, dropped on spot. Hit one high just behind shoulder, dropped on spot, kicked briefly, then done.
Shot 1 at 895 yards, broadside, hit behind shoulder, bucked but showed little other signs of being hit. I could not get a second shot. She walked 60 yards and fell over dead.
Year 2024, Whitetail Doe count 3 weight 90 to 100 pounds
6.5-06 26" barrel, Win Brass, H 4831sc, 140 eldm, 2990 fps
Distance 450-640 yards. The ones at 450 and 525 dropped on the spot, mid to high shoulder hits. The one at 640 was hit mid body broadside in line with front leg, exit was roughly same vicinity and slightly larger than golfball sized. She wheeled and made it 30 yards out of the field and piled up.

Also killed 4 hogs with the Grendel recently. 3 with 123 SST. 3 were shot in the neck at approx. 75 yards. 2 I shot again because they were trying to get back to their feet and all others were gone. One went 40 yards and expired.
The last hog was a sow around 125pounds. Shot her broadside in the crease with a 123 eldm. Exited opposite crease. Blood everywhere and excellent blood trail though I didn't need it. I could see her dead with the thermal about 35 yards away.

Interestingly one evening I put my son in a small field where he would have a max 200 yard shot. I was in another field across the road and could hear the impacts when he shot. He was using my other Grendel with thermal. Of the 12 he killed that evening only 3 went straight down. The rest had run 20 to 60 yards and piled up. Some actually making it out of the field. Watching the videos I saw why. All of his shots were quite a bit lower and more in the crease than I normally like to shoot. We discussed deer anatomy and changed his shot placement. He gets far less runners now.

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[fordy]

fordy,

I lost track of this thread. The info is in the "general" section.

Gday rich I'll have a look @ that thread that m77fan kindly put the link up for this muppet to push the easy button

animals killed with what?

fordy asked posters for info of their kills with which bullet. I spent the whole afternoon compiling the following info. Maybe one of you smart folks could move this to his thread, please. .454 Casull, Freedom Arms 260 grain bullet @ 1900 fps, blacktail buck, 7-8 yards, center chest, drop at...

www.longrangehunting.com

Fordy, Rich Coyle answered you in a new thread. See the above thread for his answer.

Thankyou both
Cheers

 

[fordy]

Magic bullets don't exist. Too much on this forum lately looking for the perfect bullet.

If your constantly tracking game its either the bullet or your marksmanship.
If your not usually tracking game, then stop looking for a better bullet.

With any bullet occasionally your gonna have to track game, this doesn't mean the bullet failed.

Its that simple now go hunt.

Gday koda
What you are trying to relay or my interpretation above is a completely different subject , May i suggest you put that up on another thread as it has no place on this thread

The basis of this thread is to try & understand what people expect as a good killing pill/s for them Basically if we can understand what person A & person B expect & if they are satisfied with the outcome all is good


No right nor wrong

Cheers

 

[Koda_]

Gday koda
What you are trying to relay or my interpretation above is a completely different subject , May i suggest you put that up on another thread as it has no place on this thread

My apologies Fordy,

What I consider a good killing pill is one that performs terminally as it was designed consistently.