elkbuster thanks for the heads up! A good guy on here sent me some 165s and 175s to try, and unfortunately I really haven't gotten to do a whole lot with them, just shot some groups at 100yds with the 165s over 66gr of Retumbo, which clocked right around 2900fps. Accuracy was decent, but it was likely more my shooting style than anything inhibiting some great groups. I've since improved a bunch shooting the lightweight rigs, and took the 270WSM and 140SSt out to 1,000 the other day. It was a hoot!