Hunting Rifle: Anyone Else Have No Desire for a Silencer?

[orkan]

Wow! This is a topic that obviously is interesting to many. To each their own when it comes to opinions. What gets under my skin is the hostility of some of the posters. This is what I found in some of the other forums I have visited. The LRH forum has generally been a pleasant departure from this type of diatribe. I guess the door is open to all to share their thoughts. A message to "sponsors", you can alienate potential customers with hostile reactions and discrediting their views.

That poster attacked everyone here that runs suppressed. If my defense of the truth and those people caused you to dislike me… then so be it. You either have a care for the truth, or you don't.

I'm here to serve the truth… and the truth upsets ignorance. Nothing new about that. Some have experience, others don't, and it's obvious who doesn't. All opinions are not equal.

 

[capona]

I think maybe I need another now.

The only negatives with using a suppressor are the cost, the wait time, and the fact you will have unused rifles never getting shot anymore that aren't suppressed.

 

[westexhunt]

My original intent in planning was to have everything suppressed when my two boys started shooting. Trying to save what's left of my hearing and protect theirs. So far other than shotguns neither of my boys have fired a gun without a suppressor. They wear ear pro when shotgunning.

 

[WTOBob]

I have cans but on specific rifles. My main hunting rifles have no cans. I wear electronic hearing protection such as SoundGear, SportEars and Walkers. A whole lot cheaper and no licenses involved.

 

[Reelamin]

I think maybe I need another now.

The only negatives with using a suppressor are the cost, the wait time, and the fact you will have unused rifles never getting shot anymore that aren't suppressed.

If unused rifles is causing negative responses they could always be sold, and you could buy more suppressors. In todays market the gun prices are way up and suppressor prices are down comparatively. Time to be happier and get more suppressors.

 

[asd9055]

If unused rifles is causing negative responses they could always be sold, and you could buy more suppressors. In todays market the gun prices are way up and suppressor prices are down comparatively. Time to be happier and get more suppressors.

Better solution! Donate all unused firearms to me.
And now it is time to stop following this thread!
Thanks

 

[American_Wookie]

What? Can't hear you because I'm deaf.

Well if you were really deaf like me you'd feel the blast wave though your body. Pretty cool sound/feeling. Its why I like fireworks so much.

 

[Captain1967]

I've been shooting rifles since I was seven years old started with 22s then at 10 a 30-06, I'm in my 50s now. I had always shot unsuppressed with no brake and brakes. Started shooting with a suppressor for about three years now wish I would have started using them years ago.

 

[memtb]

I like the thought of "quiet"! However, I don't like the idea of .....additional weight, bulk, and length!

So for me....a "hard pass"! memtb

 

[Chase723]

18 pages. Lol. I'll take an 18-20" barrel with a 6-8" suppressor over any 26" barrel any day. No question. You have turrets for a reason if the velocity difference is an issue for you. At most your talking about losing maybe 100fps, sometimes none at all. Usually ballistic disparities can be mitigated by changing powder and bullets. Furthermore, any decrease in velocity is only going to be relevant at the terminal limits of your bullets minimum required velocity for expansion. Otherwise it's completely irrelevant.

Depending on your barrel profile, what you cut off to replace with a suppressor can make the weight difference pretty trivial. My suppressors weigh 13-15 oz. I haven't weighed a 6" section of say a 3/4" .264-.308 piece of barrel but I'd bet it's 8 oz or so.

If you're going to buy one and Form 4 it, yes the wait and expense are certainly irksome. If you're going to Form 1 them and build your own then the wait is sometimes less than 30 days. I just submitted 3 on 11/7. Two came back on 12/1 (not sure why the 3rd didn't come back with the others but hopefully will soon). My cost to build a titanium can (muzzle brake, tube, end caps w/ stainless baffles) is <$300.

The benefits so far supercede the negatives that my only wish was that I had built 10 of them years ago. No ear pro necessary, no muzzle blast/concussion, makes rifles way less intimidating to shoot for kids, you can hear your impacts on everything, shots beyond 300-400 yards animals don't even associate the report with anything and if for whatever reason you miss they will often just stand there and give you another shot, etc. I'd say, don't knock it til you try it.

 

[Teri Anne]

Prove you wrong? You prove yourself wrong. Then you state you won't listen to any view other than your own no matter what is said… a true demonstration of willful ignorance. 4" of barrel is about 100fps. Not the end of the world as you'd paint it to be. Despite that foolishness, who said you need to run a 20" barrel? I run around with 26" suppressed rifles all the time.

Your reliance on "factory" data, demonstrates your ignorance, as wildcat shooters have been besting "factory" performance in shorter barrels for decades.

Your opinion on what animals perceive further demonstrates your ignorance… because those of us that have been hunting with suppressors for decades have seen proof of its benefits and that proof is undeniable.

You simply lack any required experience to have any valid opinion on this topic.

As I mentioned there would be a lot of discussion here. My only response to this is that I have in fact used a chronograph to check the differences in barrel lengths on the muzzle velocity of 20 and 24 inch barrels, notably on two .308's, Using Federal Premium 165 gr Nosler Accubond ammo. There was nothing hand loaded. The velocity from the 24 inch .308 was chronographed at 2675 fps., slightly lower than advertised. From the 20 inch barrel it was down to 2350 which is over 325 fps difference. 325 fps will definitely make a big difference at longer ranges. I have not had the opportunity to check the difference in db levels between a un-suppressed and suppressed rifles so cannot accurately report on the effectiveness, however the supersonic bullet travel remains the same, at long range the bullet will hit long before the sound reaches the animal,

I expect more derogatory remarks, but please before you comment make sure of the accuracy of your data, not simply what you think.

 

[436]

It's going South; The Kafka Trap is breaking this threat up.

 

[orkan]

As I mentioned there would be a lot of discussion here. My only response to this is that I have in fact used a chronograph to check the differences in barrel lengths on the muzzle velocity of 20 and 24 inch barrels, notably on two .308's, Using Federal Premium 165 gr Nosler Accubond ammo. There was nothing hand loaded. The velocity from the 24 inch .308 was chronographed at 2675 fps., slightly lower than advertised. From the 20 inch barrel it was down to 2350 which is over 325 fps difference. 325 fps will definitely make a big difference at longer ranges. I have not had the opportunity to check the difference in db levels between a un-suppressed and suppressed rifles so cannot accurately report on the effectiveness, however the supersonic bullet travel remains the same, at long range the bullet will hit long before the sound reaches the animal,

I expect more derogatory remarks, but please before you comment make sure of the accuracy of your data, not simply what you think.

Sounds like you have a faulty chronograph and a lack of experience with testing. 4" of barrel from 24" does not produce anywhere near what you report. You're claiming over 80fps per inch. If you had any real experience, you'd know how insane that is.

Even the most overbore cartridges going from 20" to 16" will be 40-45fps per inch at the very most. Your claim has no basis in reality.

 

[backwoodsshooter]

one thing I wish we would take from our folks across the pond is the ability to buy suppressors over the counter.

I've hunted with them on and off my rifle.

I'm in the process of completing my 45 F1 can so I can put it on my 358win.

some people like lima beans other don't. But my hearing is already bad enough as it is and the suppressor makes the ringing post shot a lot easier for me to bare.