Yeah, it's kinda funny how that bovine anal seepage gets spread around in some gun shop's, anyone that's used both knows that a .41 Mag has the edge over the 10mm in every bullet weight, and barrel length'..., the 10mm is a great cartridge but it's no .41 Magnum for sure.
How many carry a 44 or similar when you are rifle hunting?
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Yeah, it's kinda funny how that bovine anal seepage gets spread around in some gun shop's, anyone that's used both knows that a .41 Mag has the edge over the 10mm in every bullet weight, and barrel length'..., the 10mm is a great cartridge but it's no .41 Magnum for sure.
bigngreen
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The few things I've seen is spray is flavoring for your carcass, your only going to MAYBE clear your hostler in a real Mt grizzly charge, if you get a shot better make a huge impression with it. I know more than one guy who got rid of the Glock 10 mm after the first real charge and got something bigger!! These grizzlies are stupid fast, most guys I know plan on getting rolled before they can do anything about it and don't plan on a rifle being in hand so cannon strapped to the chest seems to be the general consensus.
Scrumbag
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Not that I have the luxury of hunting often in big predator country, I'd more likely only go for a secondary arm if I was doing something like predator calling with a .22CF or similar. But it would be a nice "problem" to have 
This is the best write-up I have seen on bear protection handguns. https://alaskagunsite.wordpress.com/2017/01/01/the-case-for-the-357-magnum/
In my eyes, a bear defense handgun needs to be absolutely reliable. If you have to stuff an auto in a bears mouth, or against anything while being attacked it likely will go out of battery and not go bang. If any type of failure happens, clearing said failure is really tough one handed especially with a bear on top of you. Just pull the trigger again in a double action revolver. It needs to penetrate, not expand and that means like 4+ feet to get to something in the CNS that will shut things down.
I have a 44 mag 629 S&W Magna Classic that I love and carries great in a Kenai chest holster like previously mentioned. But for last ditch and always there I have a 3" Model 65 K frame loaded with Buffalo Bore 180 hard cast LFN ~ 1300 fps.
I love my auto handguns for most everything else but for this one the double action revolver is the better tool IMO.
In my eyes, a bear defense handgun needs to be absolutely reliable. If you have to stuff an auto in a bears mouth, or against anything while being attacked it likely will go out of battery and not go bang. If any type of failure happens, clearing said failure is really tough one handed especially with a bear on top of you. Just pull the trigger again in a double action revolver. It needs to penetrate, not expand and that means like 4+ feet to get to something in the CNS that will shut things down.
I have a 44 mag 629 S&W Magna Classic that I love and carries great in a Kenai chest holster like previously mentioned. But for last ditch and always there I have a 3" Model 65 K frame loaded with Buffalo Bore 180 hard cast LFN ~ 1300 fps.
I love my auto handguns for most everything else but for this one the double action revolver is the better tool IMO.
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I sure agree with you, the Grizzly... as is Black's; unbelievably fast animals, as for carrying a bush type long gun, like a shotgun or short lever rifle, vs a chest rig revolver or pistol, the chest rig has it merits as stated, as does short long guns. But when a person is wearing a big ****ed off fear coat and it's swatting them like a fly and biting them like a tree mulcher'..., getting a good shot off in that fear ball is still very marginal at best, and when borne take a "round" THEY "really" get violently amp'd up and turn on the real Bear afterburner focusing on what just hurt it. So I'm thinking it's pretty much a crapshoot all in all, either you see him coming and have time to react or you don't; that's life... it kinda works that way in a traffic accident does as well. As for the 10mm, I wouldn't feel terribly under-gunned with one in a chest rig., and! with the "right bullet & load" but, it wouldn't be my first choice, my first choice would be .12 ga with a heavy hard-hitting slug. Obviously, there are many other options on the table, with that said; I think the old tried and true .44 Magnum revolver(s) is one of them, as with many of the other big guns which are more powerful than a .44 Magnum handgun, but, perhaps not as controllable when multiple rounds are needed to be fired, generally recoil plays into it the most, well, that's where the .44 Magnum seems to be a bit more manageable over the more powerful ones, again it will still come down to the right bullet and load choice, in even the old .44 Magnum... a cartridge I loved and owned all my life in both rifles and revolvers. Pepper spray? yep seasoning for the main course, yes I'm sure it has worked, but then so had putting your arms in the air and yelling at the top of your lungs while making yourself look big, I think I'll stay with a firearm. Just my .02 and thoughts.
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HARPERC
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I've got a Glock in 10mm that I really enjoy but if I'm I. The woods I'm carrying my PC 629
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I guess I really need to move. I go out and try to encounter a black bear or cougar and never have one coming after me! I do get a kick out of all the talk about how ineffective bear spray is when it's statistically much more effective when it comes to reducing the occurrence and severity of attacks.
I always carry a handgun of some kind, but not for protection. A handgun is my primary weapon while hiking in to my spot with the rifle (or specialty pistol) stuffed in a pack. I've carried Glock 20s and 29s, Kimber Eclipse, Dan Wesson CCBT and Razorback and an EAA Witness in 10mm, so I'm well aware of what's out there and what the 10mm is capable of. I'd say a 10mm is entry level at best as a hunting round, and I say that as a big fan of the 10mm. Out side of hunting season I currently carry a GP 100 in 10mm Mag (rechambered) and I love it for small targets of opportunity and against dogs. During modern firearm season though I'd take a 44 mag or larger all day every day and twice on Tuesday over the 10mm. For the last few years I've really like the 480 Ruger since a wrist injury limited what I can shoot. The only semi auto I'd consider "powerful" would be one of the 45 Win Mags or larger. I've packed revolvers ranging from 41 Mag up through 500 S&W as primary guns during hunting season as well as LAR Grizzly, Wildey, Desert Eagle and Automag semi autos ranging from 44 Mag, 44 Auto Mag, 45 Win Mag, 475 Wildey and 50 AE. The largest rounds in a semi auto are still pretty mild compared to what's available in a revolver.
I always carry a handgun of some kind, but not for protection. A handgun is my primary weapon while hiking in to my spot with the rifle (or specialty pistol) stuffed in a pack. I've carried Glock 20s and 29s, Kimber Eclipse, Dan Wesson CCBT and Razorback and an EAA Witness in 10mm, so I'm well aware of what's out there and what the 10mm is capable of. I'd say a 10mm is entry level at best as a hunting round, and I say that as a big fan of the 10mm. Out side of hunting season I currently carry a GP 100 in 10mm Mag (rechambered) and I love it for small targets of opportunity and against dogs. During modern firearm season though I'd take a 44 mag or larger all day every day and twice on Tuesday over the 10mm. For the last few years I've really like the 480 Ruger since a wrist injury limited what I can shoot. The only semi auto I'd consider "powerful" would be one of the 45 Win Mags or larger. I've packed revolvers ranging from 41 Mag up through 500 S&W as primary guns during hunting season as well as LAR Grizzly, Wildey, Desert Eagle and Automag semi autos ranging from 44 Mag, 44 Auto Mag, 45 Win Mag, 475 Wildey and 50 AE. The largest rounds in a semi auto are still pretty mild compared to what's available in a revolver.
ATH
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Seen too many people leave heavy gun of every caliber behind in the truck after the first day. Power doesn't matter if you aren't carrying it.
I love my 10mm but in back country where grizz roam I'm carrying 44Mag SW329PD or 41Mag Taurus Ti. The revolvers are both way lighter and more powerful. I am a huge 10mm fan but it is NOT a 41Mag. Certainly not a 44. And nobody should be using hollowpoints on grizz….
I love my 10mm but in back country where grizz roam I'm carrying 44Mag SW329PD or 41Mag Taurus Ti. The revolvers are both way lighter and more powerful. I am a huge 10mm fan but it is NOT a 41Mag. Certainly not a 44. And nobody should be using hollowpoints on grizz….
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I keep reading what to carry as a back up in the woods. The most important question is what ammo, I personally carry Underwood 250 grain Xtreme penetrator or Underwood 325 grain lead flat nose. Buffalo bore is an great choice.
Hollow points **** large carnivores off. Whatever your sidearm of choice, choose the proper ammo.
Hollow points **** large carnivores off. Whatever your sidearm of choice, choose the proper ammo.
I think I'll be picking up a TAC-14 Remington soon.
