Lionel and Pro2A , And thus the reasoning behind the question . I seldom do more then sight in at a bench then refine my zero in my hunting positions so was wondering how others do it plus Mr. Wheeler made a comment about getting off the gun when shooting so I was interested as to what he meant and how others accomplish this . Thank you all for your replies . I have never shot competitively and haven't had any formal training just studied on my own reading ect. . My time in the service didn't include a lot of training at the range or in the class room but I got OJT when they sent me overseas the UDT's helped me a lot then .