Hog durability question

[Northkill]

I'm not a salesman, but would suggest trying a lighter, faster Hammer. Though with your claim of "2 inches at 850 yds", it'll be difficult to match that with another projo I'm guessing.

 

[Double Naught Spy]

Mmm, that's not a kill shot.
Yes they are tough but hit hard they go down.
Heart, lungs and Brain shots kill stuff.

LOL, not a kill shot. Thank you Captain Obvious. I believe that was apparent from the description. However, you will find folks that will claim up and down that at "behind the ear" shots kill hogs. I mentioned the examples because there is very little behind the ear other than muscle tissue and they most certainly don't always kill hogs.

I would also point out that where the bullet impacts is not always the shot that was taken. On the hog with the gaping hole, the shot was intended as a quartered away head brain shot and the hog turned it head just enough that the bullet bypassed the skull through the neck. Kill shot was taken, impact was not an immediate kill impact and the hog might have otherwise survived like with the example hog I posted above.

However, to correct upon your overly simplied "Heart, lungs, and Brain shots kill stuff." commentary, so do high CNS shots such as through the cervical spinal cord. Some bow hunters are happy with liver shots in some circumstance which also do a nice job of killing stuff, just with more tracking.

 

[isaaccarlson]

Jpfrog, we had a boar in our herd that was getting aggressive, so we took him out. We shot him in the forehead at about 2 feet with a 22lr, which is plenty. He dropped on folded legs. I cut his throat and he bled out. We dragged him from the pen to the tree by the house where we skin and gut. He decided he was going to try to get back up, so I shot him again. No change. We had used a rope to drag him, so we tied him to the tree. He had two bullets to the brain, was bled out with a cut throat, and was still trying to get up. He did this for an hour!! I tried cutting deeper, but there was nothing left to cut. The only thing we could do was wait.

I wouldn't believe it if I hadn't seen it. Strangest thing I ever saw. He was a russian boar cross. Beautiful pig, just ornery and didn't wanna die.

 

[Calvin45]

Jpfrog, we had a boar in our herd that was getting aggressive, so we took him out. We shot him in the forehead at about 2 feet with a 22lr, which is plenty. He dropped on folded legs. I cut his throat and he bled out. We dragged him from the pen to the tree by the house where we skin and gut. He decided he was going to try to get back up, so I shot him again. No change. We had used a rope to drag him, so we tied him to the tree. He had two bullets to the brain, was bled out with a cut throat, and was still trying to get up. He did this for an hour!! I tried cutting deeper, but there was nothing left to cut. The only thing we could do was wait.

I wouldn't believe it if I hadn't seen it. Strangest thing I ever saw. He was a russian boar cross. Beautiful pig, just ornery and didn't wanna die.

What a horrible ordeal! I'd be inclined to say I don't believe you…if i didn't know better . My dad and uncle had a small mixed farm operation up until a few years ago, cattle and grain farming. I noticed when I was a teenager that if ever he needed to put down a cow (as is inevitable from time to time) he always brought his .30-30, and asked why that big gun to just put down a captive, often sick or injured animal from a few feet away. He relayed a pretty messed up story about a bad experience similar to yours and with a .22 from his younger days, not as bad as yours mind you but still…there's supposedly a perfect spot on a cows head for this but something went real wrong and he felt like a real jerk for a long time after he finally did dispatch the animal, so from then on he just used the .30-30…no further complications. It's not a cannon but from 3 feet away I doubt there's anything besides an elephant that you could screw up a mercy kill on with a .30-30…but I've been wrong before!

 

[philipbrousseau]

Whenever I am asked to put someone s horse down I use a 12 gage with buck shot. People usually won't be there to watch but incase they do I don't want them to see their horse flopping around.stand back a few yards for total brain coverage.

 

[isaaccarlson]

What a horrible ordeal! I'd be inclined to say I don't believe you…if i didn't know better . My dad and uncle had a small mixed farm operation up until a few years ago, cattle and grain farming. I noticed when I was a teenager that if ever he needed to put down a cow (as is inevitable from time to time) he always brought his .30-30, and asked why that big gun to just put down a captive, often sick or injured animal from a few feet away. He relayed a pretty messed up story about a bad experience similar to yours and with a .22 from his younger days, not as bad as yours mind you but still…there's supposedly a perfect spot on a cows head for this but something went real wrong and he felt like a real jerk for a long time after he finally did dispatch the animal, so from then on he just used the .30-30…no further complications. It's not a cannon but from 3 feet away I doubt there's anything besides an elephant that you could screw up a mercy kill on with a .30-30…but I've been wrong before!

It wasn't the caliber and he was fully bled out. Throat completely cut and a gallon of blood on the ground with nothing coming out.

I had a doe 2 years ago that I shot with a crossbow. Perfect shot fron about 10 yards, she was perfect broadside. She jumped straight up, kicked, and landed on her feet. She looked around wagging her tail and sliwly walked off with two thumb sized streams of bright red blood pouring out of her. It looked like a red two lane highway. She tipped over about 35 yards away and never moved. We waited for another deer for about 45 minutes but none came in. We went out to get the doe and she jumped up and ran off! We thought maybe it was the wrong deer, so we checked the bed. There was blood. We waited an hour and walked after her. She had gone 20-25 yards and gone down again. She jumped up and ran off, again.

I decided to come back early morning. Got there at 7am, jumped her from her bed and tracked her a half mile through 5 more beds. The blood trail finally dried up and she got on a well used deer trail where I lost her. She showed up two days later with a wound right where I shot her, acting like nothing happened.

Some critters just won't die. My dad shot a rutted buck through the heart 4 times, with a 30-06, and the deer just stood there watching us and pouring blood all over. He trotted off and made it about a mile before giving up. There was blood, fur, and tissue all over where he was shot. On the ground, the bushes, the trees. I could see daylight through his chest cavity while he was standing there. I will never forget that. I could see the edges of the tissue moving and blood running out. I told dad to shoot him again and he said "if that doesn't kill him, nothing will. He's already dead, just doesn't know it yet."

There was a soldier in ww2 who rushed a machine gun nest and took it out. He was shot 43 times(mostly in the chest) and still lived long enough to see his pals when they got to the nest. I often wonder what the machine gunners were thinking as they watched him keep coming through the hail of bullets, possibly knowing they were not going to live....

Weird stuff happens. I have heard of similar things happening to other hunters and farmers with perfect shots. A friend of mine missed a rabbit and tipped over dead. Must have just decided it was time to go.

I shot a rabbit 3 or 4 times in the head(brain shots from about 5 yards) and it just watched me and hopped around the farm like nothing was wrong. Blood pouring from it's head. I waited what felt like forever for that rabbit to die.

I guess it doesn't really surprise me anymore....

 

[Calvin45]

It wasn't the caliber and he was fully bled out. Throat completely cut and a gallon of blood on the ground with nothing coming out.

I had a doe 2 years ago that I shot with a crossbow. Perfect shot fron about 10 yards, she was perfect broadside. She jumped straight up, kicked, and landed on her feet. She looked around wagging her tail and sliwly walked off with two thumb sized streams of bright red blood pouring out of her. It looked like a red two lane highway. She tipped over about 35 yards away and never moved. We waited for another deer for about 45 minutes but none came in. We went out to get the doe and she jumped up and ran off! We thought maybe it was the wrong deer, so we checked the bed. There was blood. We waited an hour and walked after her. She had gone 20-25 yards and gone down again. She jumped up and ran off, again.

I decided to come back early morning. Got there at 7am, jumped her from her bed and tracked her a half mile through 5 more beds. The blood trail finally dried up and she got on a well used deer trail where I lost her. She showed up two days later with a wound right where I shot her, acting like nothing happened.

Some critters just won't die. My dad shot a rutted buck through the heart 4 times, with a 30-06, and the deer just stood there watching us and pouring blood all over. He trotted off and made it about a mile before giving up. There was blood, fur, and tissue all over where he was shot. On the ground, the bushes, the trees. I could see daylight through his chest cavity while he was standing there. I will never forget that. I could see the edges of the tissue moving and blood running out. I told dad to shoot him again and he said "if that doesn't kill him, nothing will. He's already dead, just doesn't know it yet."

There was a soldier in ww2 who rushed a machine gun nest and took it out. He was shot 43 times(mostly in the chest) and still lived long enough to see his pals when they got to the nest. I often wonder what the machine gunners were thinking as they watched him keep coming through the hail of bullets, possibly knowing they were not going to live....

Weird stuff happens. I have heard of similar things happening to other hunters and farmers with perfect shots. A friend of mine missed a rabbit and tipped over dead. Must have just decided it was time to go.

I shot a rabbit 3 or 4 times in the head(brain shots from about 5 yards) and it just watched me and hopped around the farm like nothing was wrong. Blood pouring from it's head. I waited what felt like forever for that rabbit to die.

I guess it doesn't really surprise me anymore....

Weird thing do indeed happen. I do notice they happen less frequently when "overkill" is a factor, but you're right nothing is certain. I have one particular instance deer hunting where I saw something I still can't get my head around (long story) - I think you could have hit the thing with a 50 bmg and it would have still covered ground. But I do hate it when people judge "overkill". Having seen the sometimes preventable suffering brought about by "underkill" I'm now a huge fan of overkill, whatever that means haha.

 

[CBH Australia]

Whenever I am asked to put someone s horse down I use a 12 gage with buck shot. People usually won't be there to watch but incase they do I don't want them to see their horse flopping around.stand back a few yards for total brain coverage.

Well, I would not be there to watch you destroy my animal with Buckshot.
In my experience, with Humane Destruction in a proffessional role.
A .38special with a good projectile and Good shot placement see's a stream of blood coming from the head, causing instant loss of consciousness and ultimately death as the brain caused the heart to stop functioning.

It wasn't the caliber and he was fully bled out. Throat completely cut and a gallon of blood on the ground with nothing coming out.

I had a doe 2 years ago that I shot with a crossbow. Perfect shot fron about 10 yards, she was perfect broadside. She jumped straight up, kicked, and landed on her feet. She looked around wagging her tail and sliwly walked off with two thumb sized streams of bright red blood pouring out of her. It looked like a red two lane highway. She tipped over about 35 yards away and never moved. We waited for another deer for about 45 minutes but none came in. We went out to get the doe and she jumped up and ran off! We thought maybe it was the wrong deer, so we checked the bed. There was blood. We waited an hour and walked after her. She had gone 20-25 yards and gone down again. She jumped up and ran off, again.

I decided to come back early morning. Got there at 7am, jumped her from her bed and tracked her a half mile through 5 more beds. The blood trail finally dried up and she got on a well used deer trail where I lost her. She showed up two days later with a wound right where I shot her, acting like nothing happened.

Some critters just won't die. My dad shot a rutted buck through the heart 4 times, with a 30-06, and the deer just stood there watching us and pouring blood all over. He trotted off and made it about a mile before giving up. There was blood, fur, and tissue all over where he was shot. On the ground, the bushes, the trees. I could see daylight through his chest cavity while he was standing there. I will never forget that. I could see the edges of the tissue moving and blood running out. I told dad to shoot him again and he said "if that doesn't kill him, nothing will. He's already dead, just doesn't know it yet."

There was a soldier in ww2 who rushed a machine gun nest and took it out. He was shot 43 times(mostly in the chest) and still lived long enough to see his pals when they got to the nest. I often wonder what the machine gunners were thinking as they watched him keep coming through the hail of bullets, possibly knowing they were not going to live....

Weird stuff happens. I have heard of similar things happening to other hunters and farmers with perfect shots. A friend of mine missed a rabbit and tipped over dead. Must have just decided it was time to go.

I shot a rabbit 3 or 4 times in the head(brain shots from about 5 yards) and it just watched me and hopped around the farm like nothing was wrong. Blood pouring from it's head. I waited what felt like forever for that rabbit to die.

I guess it doesn't really surprise me anymore....

Oh, yes your perfect shot and umpteen attempts
I'm surprised that you, write this publicly.

Ohh, "Perfect" shot placement, should do a whole lot better.

 

[isaaccarlson]

Well, I would not be there to watch you destroy my animal with Buckshot.
In my experience, with Humane Destruction in a proffessional role.
A .38special with a food projectile and Good shot placement see's a stream of blood coming from the head, causing instant loss of consciousness and ulty death as the brain caused the heart to stop functioning.



Oh, yes your perfect shot and umpteen attempts
I'm surprised that you, write this publicly.

I don't understand this response. First off, the brain does not make the heart stop. The heart is self regulating and will beat until it runs out of oxygen.

Second, why are you surprised that I wrote what I did? Your comment about "perfect shot and umpteen attempts" comes across very rude and smart-assy. What gives you the right to assume and make judgements about me when you do not know me? You were not there. Everything I wrote is true. I expect a full explanation or an apology for your remarks.

 

[CBH Australia]

I don't understand this response. First off, the brain does not make the heart stop. The heart is self regulating and will beat until it runs out of oxygen.

Second, why are you surprised that I wrote what I did? Your comment about "perfect shot and umpteen attempts" comes across very rude and smart-assy. What gives you the right to assume and make judgements about me when you do not know me? You were not there. Everything I wrote is true. I expect a full explanation or an apology for your remarks.

No,
No apology.
No explanation!

If it was a "Perfect" shot how the Hell did it "Jump" up or last 2 more days.

I'm on line now .

 

[isaaccarlson]

well, now that is a much better response. You are actually asking a question and not making silly accusations.

I did figure out how she lived. I was using a friend's crossbow at the time. It was my first time bowhunting. He provided the crossbow and the bolt. I never thought to make sure the arrow was razor sharp because he had told me it was and I believed him. The arrow was in fact very dull. A dull arrow does not cut as well as a sharp one and also causes the body to sense trauma because of the tearing of the tissue. A sharp arrow does not cause the body to sense trauma and so the body will not cause the blood to clot. This dull arrow caused the body to start clotting the blood, barely saving the deer's life when it collapsed. It was just barely alive. It had about 45 minutes to clot and make more blood before we jumped it. When it jumped up it only had enough blood/strength to make it through the bushes and pass out again, but we didn't know that, so it then had all night to recover even more blood and begin the healing process. If we had run right up to the deer it would have been a done deal as it would have finished bleeding out when we gutted it and would never have woken up. It is a crazy chain of events that I will try very hard not to repeat again. If that arrow had been sharp, she would have stayed down to begin with.

 

[CBH Australia]

When the Blood runs out, the heart stops The Brain, runs the body, without a heart pumping Blood, the Brain stops.

In. A first aid course they asked what causes death ? Their answer, the heart stops.

That 'Explains" the term Brain Dead, so being Brain Dead , you can exist, breathe or pump blood and breathe .

Destroy the heart, exsanguinate or bleed our and death is imminent..

 

[isaaccarlson]

When the Blood runs out, the heart stops The Brain, runs the body, without a heart pumping Blood, the Brain stops.

In. A first aid course they asked what causes death ? Their answer, the heart stops.

That 'Explains" the term Brain Dead, so being Brain Dead , you can exist, breathe or pump blood and breathe .

Destroy the heart, exsanguinate or bleed our and death is imminent..

You wanna fix the punctuation on that? The earlier post was hard enough to read.

'...as the brain caused the heart to stop functioning..." as you put it, sounds like the brain controls the heart. Punctuation is important. If you meant it in another way, please say so.

 

[CBH Australia]

We posted at the same time.

In short. You have no experience.
You went in with no experience
You did not know the tool you were using

Learn to respect the bloody quarry.