Help deciding on 2 builds

[matt_3479]

Sorry if I wasn't clear.
2 builds; one off SA 700, other off LA M70
I have the barrels already and I flutted for weight and looks

If that was related to my post. All I meant was going with somethin like a 6.5 saum is a little pointless because it matches the performance or beats the performance of the calibers you chose to build your long action off of. A fantastic caliber but if your building 2 6.5's I'd assume you want 2 totally different performers. So I meant to rule that out. The 6.5 creedmoor, 260. Rem and 6.5x47 all all similar performers and all have there ups and downs. I personally went with the 260. Rem but will try the 6.5x47 next.

As for your long action caliber I like the 6.5-284. That being said. Something like building a 260. Rem out of your long action and building a 6.5 saum in your short action would be kind of cool. You would get the similar or a little better performance out of a 260. Rem vs 6.5 creedmoor escpially in a long action. Allows you to seat the bullets out like crazy. The short action, chambered in 6.5 saum will out perform the calibers you choose originally in the long action, with better barrel life!

 

[nctta]

That was in response to BART chiming in without understanding the post, not yours. The two builds are because I have two daughters who love to hunt and think their 7-08 Marlins X7 are boring now.

 

[matt_3479]

That was in response to BART chiming in without understanding the post, not yours. The two builds are because I have two daughters who love to hunt and think their 7-08 Marlins X7 are boring now.

That's a good dad right there!

 

[elkaholic]

That was in response to BART chiming in without understanding the post, not yours. The two builds are because I have two daughters who love to hunt and think their 7-08 Marlins X7 are boring now.

Smart girls! I think you are growing a couple of shooters there

 

[Longrang3r]

* Fluted barrels cool only a little less than solid ones. Well made plain barrels properly fit to actions will shoot a few dozen shots 20 seconds apart without walking shot impact in some direction from the point of aim; they're not impaired by heating up.

Sorry, but clarify for me what your saying. Unless I am reading this incorrectly, you're saying you can take a 6.5-284, a 6.5 creedmoor, or a 6.5-06 AI, (the three cartridges that the OP was interested in) shoot a few dozen shots, so lets say 36 to 48 shots, 20 seconds apart, and not have any damage to the barrel or throat?

 

[ohiohunter]

Sorry, but clarify for me what your saying. Unless I am reading this incorrectly, you're saying you can take a 6.5-284, a 6.5 creedmoor, or a 6.5-06 AI, (the three cartridges that the OP was interested in) shoot a few dozen shots, so lets say 36 to 48 shots, 20 seconds apart, and not have any damage to the barrel or throat?

No, he's saying the heat will not impair the accuracy or shift poi significantly using a properly manufactured barrel. He never suggested no damage, each shot "damages" your barrel regardless of all factors.

 

[nctta]

I guess BART has successfully hijacked my post and turned it into "should I flute the barrel on my next build?"

 

[ohiohunter]

I guess BART has successfully hijacked my post and turned it into "should I flute the barrel on my next build?"

Na, you like the look.

Like I mentioned if you run the 6.5cm and the 6.5x284 you should be cover all your bases from squirrels to elk.

 

[Clark]

What I have to work with:

(1) Long action CRF Model 70 action
(1) Short action Model 700 action
(2) Flutted #3 barrels that are flutted to finish at 24". 1:8 twist

I was planning on going:

6.5 Credmoore on the SA 700
6.5-06 or 6.5-284 on LA M70....maybe 6.5x55

Thoughts or other options? I like the easy of loading for all and factory ammo and head stamped brass on 6.5-284 and CM. I have a 7saum and like idea of 6.5saum but concerned with brass availablity.

You misspelled fluted, Creedmoor, and availability.
You dissed Bart Bobbitt, my favorite gun poster since 1997 when he shot his 3.25" 20 shot group at 800 yards with his 308 and Krieger ran an ad in Accurate rifle, claiming he used one of their barrels.
But I am going to try anyway.

Of the things you speak I have a 260 reamer and a 6.5-06 reamer.
Every year I build ~ 3 rifles, get to the hunting grounds a month early for long range target practice and handloading in the vehicle.
The 260 has never made it to the top to be hunted.
In the past years 7mmRemMag rifles qualified to always keep it into the kill zone to 500 yards, and 270s, 300Winmags, 257Roberts Ackley, 260rem, 338 Win mag, 30-06, 7.62x54R, 35 Whelen, 6mmBR, 243, 6mmRem, 8x57, 7x57, 308, etc only qualified to 400 yards.

But in 2015 on a Dumoulin Mauser I built a 6.5-06 with Shilen Select Match ratchet rifling 8" twist #3 taper barrel, with 120 gr Nos Bal Tips [could not get 142 gr Nosler Accubond Long Range to work yet] with IMR-4166 [Like IMR-4895, but with a temperature stabilizing and Copper fouling reducing coatings].
It qualified out to 600 yards and killed a small kill zone whitetail doe at 629 yards.

I have built rifles on Win pre 64 M70 actions, Mauser actions, Rem 700 actions, Sav 110 actions and a number of others.
The Rem 700 and Sav 110 have poor extractors, but they are easy to build for precision.

Of the things you ask, my guess is that your best chance will be with Rem 700 and 6.5-06.

 

[FEENIX]

That's a good dad right there!

Amen to that!

 

[FEENIX]

I guess BART has successfully hijacked my post and turned it into "should I flute the barrel on my next build?"

[ame]https://youtu.be/hw3CE04LGiA?t=2[/ame]

 

[nctta]

You misspelled fluted, Creedmoor, and availability.
You dissed Bart Bobbitt, my favorite gun poster since 1997 when he shot his 3.25" 20 shot group at 800 yards with his 308 and Krieger ran an ad in Accurate rifle, claiming he used one of their barrels.
But I am going to try anyway.

Of the things you speak I have a 260 reamer and a 6.5-06 reamer.
Every year I build ~ 3 rifles, get to the hunting grounds a month early for long range target practice and handloading in the vehicle.
The 260 has never made it to the top to be hunted.
In the past years 7mmRemMag rifles qualified to always keep it into the kill zone to 500 yards, and 270s, 300Winmags, 257Roberts Ackley, 260rem, 338 Win mag, 30-06, 7.62x54R, 35 Whelen, 6mmBR, 243, 6mmRem, 8x57, 7x57, 308, etc only qualified to 400 yards.

But in 2015 on a Dumoulin Mauser I built a 6.5-06 with Shilen Select Match ratchet rifling 8" twist #3 taper barrel, with 120 gr Nos Bal Tips [could not get 142 gr Nosler Accubond Long Range to work yet] with IMR-4166 [Like IMR-4895, but with a temperature stabilizing and Copper fouling reducing coatings].
It qualified out to 600 yards and killed a small kill zone whitetail doe at 629 yards.

I have built rifles on Win pre 64 M70 actions, Mauser actions, Rem 700 actions, Sav 110 actions and a number of others.
The Rem 700 and Sav 110 have poor extractors, but they are easy to build for precision.

Of the things you ask, my guess is that your best chance will be with Rem 700 and 6.5-06.

Thanks for catching the spelling errors, but I never disrespected Bart. Am I to understand from your post that a 338wm, 300wm, 7x57, and 30-06 are only good out to 400y? Do you attribute the problem to the chambering, the rifle builder, or the shooter?

 

[elkaholic]

You misspelled fluted, Creedmoor, and availability.
You dissed Bart Bobbitt, my favorite gun poster since 1997 when he shot his 3.25" 20 shot group at 800 yards with his 308 and Krieger ran an ad in Accurate rifle, claiming he used one of their barrels.
But I am going to try anyway.

Of the things you speak I have a 260 reamer and a 6.5-06 reamer.
Every year I build ~ 3 rifles, get to the hunting grounds a month early for long range target practice and handloading in the vehicle.
The 260 has never made it to the top to be hunted.
In the past years 7mmRemMag rifles qualified to always keep it into the kill zone to 500 yards, and 270s, 300Winmags, 257Roberts Ackley, 260rem, 338 Win mag, 30-06, 7.62x54R, 35 Whelen, 6mmBR, 243, 6mmRem, 8x57, 7x57, 308, etc only qualified to 400 yards.

But in 2015 on a Dumoulin Mauser I built a 6.5-06 with Shilen Select Match ratchet rifling 8" twist #3 taper barrel, with 120 gr Nos Bal Tips [could not get 142 gr Nosler Accubond Long Range to work yet] with IMR-4166 [Like IMR-4895, but with a temperature stabilizing and Copper fouling reducing coatings].
It qualified out to 600 yards and killed a small kill zone whitetail doe at 629 yards.

I have built rifles on Win pre 64 M70 actions, Mauser actions, Rem 700 actions, Sav 110 actions and a number of others.
The Rem 700 and Sav 110 have poor extractors, but they are easy to build for precision.

Of the things you ask, my guess is that your best chance will be with Rem 700 and 6.5-06.

What criteria do you use to determine if a rifle qualifies at a given distance?.....thanks/Rich

 

[Clark]

Thanks for catching the spelling errors, but I never disrespected Bart. Am I to understand from your post that a 338wm, 300wm, 7x57, and 30-06 are only good out to 400y? Do you attribute the problem to the chambering, the rifle builder, or the shooter?

There is the rifle, the ammo, and the shooter. I am not big league on any of the 3.

The above rifles I qualified myself to a sure broadside kill out to 400 yards.
That is always hitting a 12" target every day, every shot.
I could have done better, but that was all I got done.

The 7mmRemMag was like removing a handicap. It got me out to 500 yards with 4 rifles; stock Browning 1885, stock Ruger #1, Rem 700 I built, VZ24 I built. I killed a lot of animals with them.

I am 64 but getting better, slowly, at long range shooting.
In 2015 I built a 300 win mag on a Mosin Nagant and qualified to 500 yards, and shot a 3x3 mule buck with it.
In 2015 I built a 6.5-06, qualified to 600 yards, and shot two deer with it.

I think that for a putz like me, the 6.5-06 and 7mmRemMag make long range shooting easier.
For some national competition level skill guy, like Bart, he shoots a 308, and throws the barrel away after 2000 rounds because the accuracy dropped to 1/2 moa.