Been using 117 gr Sledge Hammers out of my Pre 64 Winchester 270 the last two years. Shot 15 deer with them here in the northeast. Longest any of them went was maybe 40 yds. Most shot inside 150 yds and most shot in the heart or double lunged. Longest shot was 340 yds and was a heart shot. Went maybe 15 feet. I have been very happy with them. Muzzle velocity around 3450, easy to load, accurate and perform well on game..... what's not to like. Before the Hammers, I was using Barnes TTSX. Switching everything over to Hammers now. Plus Steve and Company have been very receptive to emails and calls to help a person out!