Help Support Long Range Hunting Forum
I think you mean the 205g Power Hammer? I don't think you can get that fast with the 210g Hammer Hunter.
Gday bang4thebuck
I have to say you are right. My bear did go probably farther. It rolled that far one step after the shot down the hill I shot him off of. Maybe he was alive while rolling but was clearly dead when we gat to him.
No disrespect taken at all. I have a deep appreciation for those that deliver fact-based information. I've strived to be the same way. Hence the reason I brought the story full circle. Truth of the matter is Steve actually recommended a lighter bullet, and was sure it would perform superbly, but my decision on bullet choice was based on some minimums that the guide wanted to see (180 grain). Looking back on it, there were two guys in camp archery hunting one with a compound, one with a cross bow. The cross bow guy missed a toad at 22 yards, and the compound guy wounded a bear, and missed another, so I am not sure how or why there would be rifle minimums when they also hunt them with stick and string. I suppose the guide sees all kind of things, and since I asked, I got an answer. Fact is, next time, I won't discuss it with the guide, unless he asks me. My choices will be made strictly based on proven data from those that know. I think those of us that are still analyzing this type of information in the middle of the summer are just different, and do not represent what the guides typically see. Our guns are sighted, our data is verified, our loads are tuned, our choices are deliberate. No disrespect to those that aren't that way, but the guide is used to guys that are shooting borrowed rifles, mis-match boxes of ammo, 6MOA capability, somewhat unprepared clients. If i were a guide under those conditions, I would tell them to bring big guns with big bullets and increase the chances of success on marginal shots.Gday bang4thebuck
I'm in no way insinuating that the 181 has not killed those bears in a timely manner as that's good results
& as I've previously stated I know nothing about bears but I'll say with the utmost respect that you can get better results again on the average from impact to tip across the board
Bears I'm still
How do I know this without yanking my own chain
I don't really know other than I test a lot & have tested a lot of brands & even by other companies other than hammer I'm highly rated on what I do & see from a terminal point
but I'll challenge any company to produce a even better pill as I'll show the bad not the good to those companies
Probably the best way is next time you chat to Steve ask him what I do & have done
I mean no disrespect to your thread or you so please accept my apology if my comments offended
Cheers
memtb
Gday If your going to quote things like that I hope it was from trying to be funny
Cheers
Guides have very variable levels of knowledge of ballistics. We should not be to hard on them, primarily because the biggest influence on their ballistic perceptions is their experience with client with very varied skill levels. Ultimately they are the one who has to mop up the results of a bad shot. My guide for the Alaskan Black Bear hunt was excellent, but discouraged clients from using copper bullets because he saw variable performance from them, specifically inconsistency in expansion. After he saw the results of how our copper bullet worked on 2 bears, both shot with just a 308Win each DRT kills, he changed his mind at least about our bullets.^^^^^^ This ^^^^^^
I've said similar several times!
If we are relying on many guides for accurate information pertaining to a hunting bullet……I'd rather take my chances with a Fortune Teller and a crystal ball!
memtb
