GUN WEIGHT

[Sdvldog1371]

Yep! Or condition yourself so weight is not an issue.

I have to admit, though, that as I get older, a light rifle is nice. The .30 Giibs is my lightest rifle, but I only use it for mid-range.

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while everyone else is arguing over how carbon is the best or worst and all that, hows about you share the details on that chassis. what do you have going on here? What does the chassis alone weigh? She sexy!

 

[FEENIX]

while everyone else is arguing over how carbon is the best or worst and all that, hows about you share the details on that chassis. what do you have going on here? What does the chassis alone weigh? She sexy!

Check your PM.

 

[Sdvldog1371]

Beg your pardon, but this is the worst argument ever. Save a pound on a rifle and 1/2 a pound on a scope you have just potentially saved 20% of the weight of your killing solution. If you are going out for 10 days unsupported and can save 20% on all of your carry weight you would be an idiot or a masochist not to. Hard to imagine, but alot of folks hunting out of a pack are already in excellent shape and can't spare a ton of body fat going into a backcountry hunt. There are places in the world you can't even use your rifle until you're at least 5 miles off the road. Gravity is a beach and I try to cheat her out of every ounce I can.

Ounces add up to pounds and pounds equal pain. I too am on a quest to shave all the ounces I can. It is a battle of concessions. I will give up a heavier scope and 4" of barrel, roughly 96fps if the math between my other 2 rifles holds true. But I will get down into the Lower 9lb range, which will be a mixed blessing.

 

[ickes123]

Beg your pardon, but this is the worst argument ever. Save a pound on a rifle and 1/2 a pound on a scope you have just potentially saved 20% of the weight of your killing solution. If you are going out for 10 days unsupported and can save 20% on all of your carry weight you would be an idiot or a masochist not to. Hard to imagine, but alot of folks hunting out of a pack are already in excellent shape and can't spare a ton of body fat going into a backcountry hunt. There are places in the world you can't even use your rifle until you're at least 5 miles off the road. Gravity is a beach and I try to cheat her out of every ounce I can.

Well said

 

[ObiWanKannoli]

Beg your pardon, but this is the worst argument ever. Save a pound on a rifle and 1/2 a pound on a scope you have just potentially saved 20% of the weight of your killing solution. If you are going out for 10 days unsupported and can save 20% on all of your carry weight you would be an idiot or a masochist not to. Hard to imagine, but alot of folks hunting out of a pack are already in excellent shape and can't spare a ton of body fat going into a backcountry hunt. There are places in the world you can't even use your rifle until you're at least 5 miles off the road. Gravity is a beach and I try to cheat her out of every ounce I can.

Well it sure is a good thing we carry pounds and not percentages.

Dollars pay the bills, percentages sound good in a PowerPoint.

 

[waveslayer]

That's definitely not true. I run carbon barrels myself. But as far as cooling fluting increases surface area of the steal. This it has more area to distribute heat. It indeed does help cooling. To what degree. Who knows will it matter who knows but the science says more surface area means more cooling.

Very not true, take a look at the extensive testing Bryan Litz even did on the subject. Even Frank at Bartlien would agree with me. It's for looks and weight, nothing more.

 

[416pgw]

Beg your pardon, but this is the worst argument ever. Save a pound on a rifle and 1/2 a pound on a scope you have just potentially saved 20% of the weight of your killing solution. If you are going out for 10 days unsupported and can save 20% on all of your carry weight you would be an idiot or a masochist not to. Hard to imagine, but alot of folks hunting out of a pack are already in excellent shape and can't spare a ton of body fat going into a backcountry hunt. There are places in the world you can't even use your rifle until you're at least 5 miles off the road. Gravity is a beach and I try to cheat her out of every ounce I can.

Yeah well pound and half on a gun is not 20% of your weight. And yes TRUE MOUNTAIN HUNTERS can benefit from lighter equipment. But 99.999% of all the hunters are not that kind of hunter. I know that and you know that. And all the few hunters that are like that already know what they need for equipment. I've hunted in different places in the world. I know about 2 days horse back and hiking just to get to base camp. 1 and 1/2 pound at most on my rifle was the least of my worries

 

[snox801]

Very not true, take a look at the extensive testing Bryan Litz even did on the subject. Even Frank at Bartlien would agree with me. It's for looks and weight, nothing more.

Ok well explain away how adding more surface area would not help. Surface area cools. It's pure science. Also has been proven in brake rotors. Now if you told me they say it has very little effect and no real world id say sure. But if you are increasing surface area it will increase cooling.

 

[southpa]

Yeah well pound and half on a gun is not 20% of your weight. And yes TRUE MOUNTAIN HUNTERS can benefit from lighter equipment. But 99.999% of all the hunters are not that kind of hunter. I know that and you know that. And all the few hunters that are like that already know what they need for equipment. I've hunted in different places in the world. I know about 2 days horse back and hiking just to get to base camp. 1 and 1/2 pound at most on my rifle was the least of my worries

Well once you take those 2 days on horseback and start hiking them on foot then we will start listening to your ideas of weight saving. Sorry but the day someone shows up at my pickup and starts packing my $H!t up and down the mountain or paying for animals to do it for me then we can talk. Until then, you don't need to worry about other people's ideas of what YOU think is important trail weights for them.
Sorry sir this is not directly intended for you per say. Because it seems you understand. Just a general idea surrounding why others deem it necessary to downplay weight savings that are important to others.

 

[snox801]

Very not true, take a look at the extensive testing Bryan Litz even did on the subject. Even Frank at Bartlien would agree with me. It's for looks and weight, nothing more.

Not to mention even if that wasn't the case. Less material means it will cool faster. So anytime you remove weight off a barrel it will cool faster as it has less weight. Both those guys are respected in a field. But neither is in thermal dissipation of materials.

 

[Quintus]

Well it sure is a good thing we carry pounds and not percentages.

Dollars pay the bills, percentages sound good in a PowerPoint.

True, but if you get ready for your first solo mountain hunt and have and ALICE pack, pup tent, regular sleeping bag and so and your pack weighs 70 pounds and all your crap don't fit you think jeez, Need to cut this weight and volume by 40% you are eliminating percentages. I came to this approach long before POWER POINT was a thing. And you are also right I don't carry percentages, about 50 percentages less than when I started in this game. Just how I approach it and a big part of how I evaluate new gear. I never claimed to be the brightest stick in the drawer.

 

[ickes123]

Well once you take those 2 days on horseback and start hiking them on foot then we will start listening to your ideas of weight saving. Sorry but the day someone shows up at my pickup and starts packing my $H!t up and down the mountain or paying for animals to do it for me then we can talk. Until then, you don't need to worry about other people's ideas of what YOU think is important trail weights for them.
Sorry sir this is not directly intended for you per say. Because it seems you understand. Just a general idea surrounding why others deem it necessary to downplay weight savings that are important to others.

 

[ickes123]

very well said AND 100 PERCENT FACT

 

[416pgw]

Well once you take those 2 days on horseback and start hiking them on foot then we will start listening to your ideas of weight saving. Sorry but the day someone shows up at my pickup and starts packing my $H!t up and down the mountain or paying for animals to do it for me then we can talk. Until then, you don't need to worry about other people's ideas of what YOU think is important trail weights for them.
Sorry sir this is not directly intended for you per say. Because it seems you understand. Just a general idea surrounding why others deem it necessary to downplay weight savings that are important

Well I guess if you actually read what I wrote. Iate you the very small part of hunters that actually hunt like that. That that might make a difference to or are you the vast majority that thinks he hunts like that but really doesn't. If you had a little thicker skin and weren't so defensive. You would understand what I wad saying.