Here one that is a true waste of life! Mass shootings are bad, but this is killing more Americans than mass shooting.
Don't know why no one throws this in their face...especially drunk driving Beto!
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Here one that is a true waste of life! Mass shootings are bad, but this is killing more Americans than mass shooting.
Don't know why no one throws this in their face...especially drunk driving Beto!
If you want to point out mass murders, talk about abortions. There we are speaking of human beings that are completely defenseless to save their own life. Abortion is the Democraps signature litmus test for judges. Don't even talk to me about gun confiscation Beto, until you stop killing babies. Here is info from left wing Wikipedia, so the actual numbers are probably much worse.
Between 1970 and 2015, CDC reports nearly 45.7 million legal induced abortions. Note that there is a large decrease in reported abortions between 1997 and 1998. This is because CDC's reporting areas were reduced from 52 in 1997 to 47 in 1998.
aushunter1
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Personally speaking from experience a 'buy back' is at least better than an 'hand in' or an amnesty but it depends on how the laws around it are legislated, at least you will get money for then instead of nothing!
Being from a country that in 1996 we basically lost the write to freely own semi auto rifles & firearms with a 'military appearance' all I can say is ensure you don't go down that same path.
The problem with these knee jerk decisions by politicians is the often go way overboard, as they did in Australia.
Had they introduced other preventative reforms those of us with legitimate purposes would still be joying semi's now.
While you may see these comments as being against your constitutional rights well they can re write those so you are just better looking at how you can save as much of what you have as you can.
I also think there needs to ne a 'National' approach to gun laws.
In the USA there seems to be to many states with over relaxed laws while other have at least some proper laws/rules in place.
Some things I think should happen before semi auto's were removed in Australia are-
1. Change the licencing process to make it harder for people who shouldn't own any firearms at all of which could probably involve a mental health assessment.
2. Implement a gun registration program where a permit to acquire has to be applied for prior to the purchase of firearms & then registered to your licence.
3. Implement safe storage & transport rules where periodic inspections are also involved for compliance.
The above things happen here post 1996 here which did weed out a lot of potential risks BUT if they had of implemented these rules before hand we would still have our semi's!!
I was actually amazed to find out that the situation in NZ was basically the same as here pre 1996, not gun registration & no safe storage required.
Now its like looking in a mirror as to what I think will eventually happen over there in NZ, they will probably lose their semi's because politicians will go way overboard instead of just implementing the 3 points of mine above.
Good luck you guys in the USA, while I hope you don't ever lose your right to own freely semi's I do think something needs to happen to ensure people who shouldn't have access to firearms don't.
Being from a country that in 1996 we basically lost the write to freely own semi auto rifles & firearms with a 'military appearance' all I can say is ensure you don't go down that same path.
The problem with these knee jerk decisions by politicians is the often go way overboard, as they did in Australia.
Had they introduced other preventative reforms those of us with legitimate purposes would still be joying semi's now.
While you may see these comments as being against your constitutional rights well they can re write those so you are just better looking at how you can save as much of what you have as you can.
I also think there needs to ne a 'National' approach to gun laws.
In the USA there seems to be to many states with over relaxed laws while other have at least some proper laws/rules in place.
Some things I think should happen before semi auto's were removed in Australia are-
1. Change the licencing process to make it harder for people who shouldn't own any firearms at all of which could probably involve a mental health assessment.
2. Implement a gun registration program where a permit to acquire has to be applied for prior to the purchase of firearms & then registered to your licence.
3. Implement safe storage & transport rules where periodic inspections are also involved for compliance.
The above things happen here post 1996 here which did weed out a lot of potential risks BUT if they had of implemented these rules before hand we would still have our semi's!!
I was actually amazed to find out that the situation in NZ was basically the same as here pre 1996, not gun registration & no safe storage required.
Now its like looking in a mirror as to what I think will eventually happen over there in NZ, they will probably lose their semi's because politicians will go way overboard instead of just implementing the 3 points of mine above.
Good luck you guys in the USA, while I hope you don't ever lose your right to own freely semi's I do think something needs to happen to ensure people who shouldn't have access to firearms don't.
Not to pick a fight, but there are not "too many States with overly relaxed laws". What we have are too many States, and cities, with too overly restrictive laws. Laws that only take firearms from law abiding citizens, while doing nothing to solve the real problems. If you need any proof of that, check into Chicago's shooting and homicide numbers. We have a constitution in America and we're not going down Australia's road, or Europe, or New Zealand, or any other Country. We beat tyranny before in this country and we'll beat it again.
the hunter
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Twice as a nation, and then there was Texas by its self.
DavidA
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Bottom line for me I havre second amendment which says I have the right to bear arms. The idea is to present an obstacle to Government gone wild looking to make its citizens in to slaves. If every family owned arms, government tryany would be very slow to grow because the government would fear the people. That is the hole point. Why because if not for Donald Trump we would not even be having this conversation. Because absolute power corrupts absolutely. History is replete with examples our for fathers new this and inserted this amendment so government would fear its people. I agree 100%.
The problem is that we have sick people in our society. People who are disconnected who can contemplate such crimes. They are out there and as our society move to get everyone a trophy as we embrace all kinds of disphoria we legitimize there sicknesses and allow them to surround themselves with media that reflects these values. Acceptance is so broad that no one will intervene in anyone's business and electronic media leads to an isolated electronic life wear reality is distorted to only include ones view. Look at Parlkland, Sandyhook, Aurora CO. Dayton OH, . VA Tech. VA beach They all are carried out by individuals who physicals and emotionally removed from mainstream society. They are the weapons. The rifle or handgun or shotgun is only a tool.
Remove that tools and the sick will find another tool to weaponize. Why because the are sick. So do not address mental illness and the modern tools that cause isolation within the new electronic world. Can't deal with that. That would make to much sense. They will remove light barreld AR 15's and AK47's then the sick o,s will choose heavy barrels do AR15's ban those and they will use LR308. Then after they ban those the sicko,s will use REM 597's and Roger 10/22's, then the will use shotguns and pistols and they will ban them. Then they will use hunting rifles with magazine and some sicko will figures out he can kill 5 people with each shot from a 338 win mag at 200 yds and they will then ban hunting rifle. The some sicko will figure and large caliber air gun can carry out their carnage and they will use that and the politicians will ban them. When all the guns are gun they will ban tactical knives, or explosives on and on and on it goes. What is the common thread between all of them? A bunch of mentally unstable, sicko,s. and in the end no 2nd amendment and a tyrannical government that can do as it pleases. But the sickos will still be there and they will be using spoons to kill until they ban them. As soon as you give in it is just a matter of time for the progression to work to its end. Government does not have the will to deal with sickos. Why? Because sickos assure that those in power will have cause to establish themselves in absolute control with no possible resistance to their engineering of a new society.
So deal first with the capability of those with mental or anger issues from getting a gun. Assure that gun owners have proper safes in their homes and businesses to keep them out of their hands. Everything else in the end just leads to the final dissolving of the 2nd amendment and the end of our Republic.
The problem is that we have sick people in our society. People who are disconnected who can contemplate such crimes. They are out there and as our society move to get everyone a trophy as we embrace all kinds of disphoria we legitimize there sicknesses and allow them to surround themselves with media that reflects these values. Acceptance is so broad that no one will intervene in anyone's business and electronic media leads to an isolated electronic life wear reality is distorted to only include ones view. Look at Parlkland, Sandyhook, Aurora CO. Dayton OH, . VA Tech. VA beach They all are carried out by individuals who physicals and emotionally removed from mainstream society. They are the weapons. The rifle or handgun or shotgun is only a tool.
Remove that tools and the sick will find another tool to weaponize. Why because the are sick. So do not address mental illness and the modern tools that cause isolation within the new electronic world. Can't deal with that. That would make to much sense. They will remove light barreld AR 15's and AK47's then the sick o,s will choose heavy barrels do AR15's ban those and they will use LR308. Then after they ban those the sicko,s will use REM 597's and Roger 10/22's, then the will use shotguns and pistols and they will ban them. Then they will use hunting rifles with magazine and some sicko will figures out he can kill 5 people with each shot from a 338 win mag at 200 yds and they will then ban hunting rifle. The some sicko will figure and large caliber air gun can carry out their carnage and they will use that and the politicians will ban them. When all the guns are gun they will ban tactical knives, or explosives on and on and on it goes. What is the common thread between all of them? A bunch of mentally unstable, sicko,s. and in the end no 2nd amendment and a tyrannical government that can do as it pleases. But the sickos will still be there and they will be using spoons to kill until they ban them. As soon as you give in it is just a matter of time for the progression to work to its end. Government does not have the will to deal with sickos. Why? Because sickos assure that those in power will have cause to establish themselves in absolute control with no possible resistance to their engineering of a new society.
So deal first with the capability of those with mental or anger issues from getting a gun. Assure that gun owners have proper safes in their homes and businesses to keep them out of their hands. Everything else in the end just leads to the final dissolving of the 2nd amendment and the end of our Republic.
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Goring2358
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They like to make Hollywood movies with lots of guns and shooting but don't like it when people are really trying to protect themselves. Hollywood need to stop making action movies.
Yeah it is a unique mindset.
In the US, we have rights that are separate from privilege.
There is no god given right to drive a car.
Hence, you have to take tests and follow laws and get registered, etc. etc.
Its a first principle thing in the US.
You have to be alive to have any other right, hence the right to self defense comes first.
No one else in the world has a history and a Constitution like the US.
Hence, they(most other people in the world) have a difficult time with understanding our obsession with thinking that Government MUST be limited.
If you don't limit the power of GOV. then you simply are at the whims of the prevailing wind and social mania of the day.
Left wing and right wing governments do similar damage.
People forget that Hitler and Mussolini, and Stalin, and Mao....all came to power at the behest of a Majority.
Anyway....my rants can go on all night.
The point is that limited government is best. And the only sustained limited government in the history of the world so far is the US in no small part due to gun ownership.
Like Lincoln said , we will see if it long endures.
In the US, we have rights that are separate from privilege.
There is no god given right to drive a car.
Hence, you have to take tests and follow laws and get registered, etc. etc.
Its a first principle thing in the US.
You have to be alive to have any other right, hence the right to self defense comes first.
No one else in the world has a history and a Constitution like the US.
Hence, they(most other people in the world) have a difficult time with understanding our obsession with thinking that Government MUST be limited.
If you don't limit the power of GOV. then you simply are at the whims of the prevailing wind and social mania of the day.
Left wing and right wing governments do similar damage.
People forget that Hitler and Mussolini, and Stalin, and Mao....all came to power at the behest of a Majority.
Anyway....my rants can go on all night.
The point is that limited government is best. And the only sustained limited government in the history of the world so far is the US in no small part due to gun ownership.
Like Lincoln said , we will see if it long endures.
PS,
China is in the process of taking 1984 to new levels.
Want to be a Muslim, or an ethnic minority in China today?
Simple social pressure(ratting out your friends and enemies) beatings and re-education camps are so old fashioned.
They are going for complete mind control and predictive social engineering software...so they can arrest people BEFORE they break any law.
You simply can't make this stuff up.
Ask anyone in the computer AI field...it is some really scary stuff.
I fear totalitarian socialist State-ism much more than any gun.
The power of Gov. is insane already....Yet People seem to ignore the dangers.
You really want to trust anyone, anyone at all, much less Beto, or Biden or Pelosi to run every detail of your life?
History and trends in the US simply scare the **** out of me.
And no, it is not the 15 or so neo-Nazi, or the could dozen kkk members that should keep you awake at night.
It is the 100 of millions of Americans who think that giving their rights away to the Messiah of the day is the solution.
It is simply beyond belief.
China is in the process of taking 1984 to new levels.
Want to be a Muslim, or an ethnic minority in China today?
Simple social pressure(ratting out your friends and enemies) beatings and re-education camps are so old fashioned.
They are going for complete mind control and predictive social engineering software...so they can arrest people BEFORE they break any law.
You simply can't make this stuff up.
Ask anyone in the computer AI field...it is some really scary stuff.
I fear totalitarian socialist State-ism much more than any gun.
The power of Gov. is insane already....Yet People seem to ignore the dangers.
You really want to trust anyone, anyone at all, much less Beto, or Biden or Pelosi to run every detail of your life?
History and trends in the US simply scare the **** out of me.
And no, it is not the 15 or so neo-Nazi, or the could dozen kkk members that should keep you awake at night.
It is the 100 of millions of Americans who think that giving their rights away to the Messiah of the day is the solution.
It is simply beyond belief.
1st choice would be Idaho or MT. Terrain kind of favors us there
Funny thing is if you look in TM 9-1005-319-10 (the Army M16/M4 operators manual) you don't see the word "Assault Rifle" anyplace. It is described as "OPERATOR'S MANUAL FOR RIFLE, 5.56 MM, M16A2" & or "CARBINE, 5.56 MM, M4". If they are "Military Style Assault Rifles" why doesn't the military list them as such in their doctrine?
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We have a republic, which is a type of strictly limited government, designed to protect the "creator given" rights of life, liberty, and property for everyone, from generation to generation, against the poorly thought out whims of the minority, and from demagogues.
Everyone knows the Franklin quote about a democracy being two wolves and a lamb deciding what they want for dinner. That is why we are not a democracy. And even more than that, we have a Bill of Rights in our Constitutional Republic.
And to be blunt, the "advice" of any other nation is completely unwelcome to Americans. Go be slaves. We've watched and learned your lesson. The rest of the world and it's tyranny can live in their own collectivist, regulated dystopia. They want to tell us what to do and have us meekly obey? Molon Labe.
It's as true now as when Thomas Paine said it:
"Ye that dare oppose, not only the tyranny, but the tyrant, stand forth! Every spot of the old world is overrun with oppression. Freedom hath been hunted round the globe. Asia, and Africa, have long expelled her—Europe regards her like a stranger, and England hath given her warning to depart. O! receive the fugitive, and prepare in time an asylum for mankind."
So make no mistake, our refuge for freedom is under attack by the rest of the world, and those domestic traitors who want to be like them. It's time to stand forth. No compromise.
Everyone knows the Franklin quote about a democracy being two wolves and a lamb deciding what they want for dinner. That is why we are not a democracy. And even more than that, we have a Bill of Rights in our Constitutional Republic.
And to be blunt, the "advice" of any other nation is completely unwelcome to Americans. Go be slaves. We've watched and learned your lesson. The rest of the world and it's tyranny can live in their own collectivist, regulated dystopia. They want to tell us what to do and have us meekly obey? Molon Labe.
It's as true now as when Thomas Paine said it:
"Ye that dare oppose, not only the tyranny, but the tyrant, stand forth! Every spot of the old world is overrun with oppression. Freedom hath been hunted round the globe. Asia, and Africa, have long expelled her—Europe regards her like a stranger, and England hath given her warning to depart. O! receive the fugitive, and prepare in time an asylum for mankind."
So make no mistake, our refuge for freedom is under attack by the rest of the world, and those domestic traitors who want to be like them. It's time to stand forth. No compromise.
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