This is an interesting post, even though its old, Im adding....when I was a kid, I thought the 280AI was THE cartridge. I friend of my uncle had one and it shot so good but he always said he couldn't get the velocity out of it enough to justify the case forming. Well I wanted one, so I built one. I've built a few now and many other guns, I can say for sure...all barrels are not the same. Some will not delivery the speed without pressure...could just be the chamber. I have a barrel that gives me everything I ever wanted. I have a 27" Krieger 9 twist and I can easily get 3000 with 180 Bergers. I also shoot 168s at about 3070...I can go faster but I use it in competition and the match limit is 3100 and it shoots at 3070ish so that's the load. I use Rl17. I have about 6 loadings on Remington brass which was surprisingly good...my primer pockets aren't as tight now but I think I can get another load one them. All of this with incredible accuracy...sub 1/4 moa....8s and .9s @500 no BS! I still think .280AI is the cartridge at least in a long action.