Started collecting and reloading after my son was born....wanted make sure I wasnt putting a bomb in anyone's hand....bought him a 22 and 17hmr in the barracuda model chipmunk....put Leupold ultralites on them...perfect match..got him shooting bigger guns at about 9....killed elk and a deer that year along with a nutria.....good season for him.....reached 14/15...full of resentment at dad after divorce....he won't hunt or shoot with me...and i am close fo giving it all up...........