Garmin Xero - update

[Schw15]

Ya, I was kidding and pulling your chain, sort of the truth though isn't it? Many posters can't seem to read or comprehend what other posters have already written. They don't care if they waste other people's time as long as they don't waste their own time. Pretty inconsiderate based on what my parents, teachers, and supervisors taught me.

I guess it doesn't have to waste your time because you don't have to respond. I can see if this was a class or something but just the internet lol

 

[JustMe2]

No it doesn't waste my time because I read ALL the threads before I respond to make sure what I was going to add hasn't already been said 10 times. I was taught that my time wasn't more valuable than the next guy's, so don't waste other's time. LOL

 

[PutInOut]

For the love of Pete; you've got to quit embarrassing yourself. By repeatedly posting about not wasting your time, YOU'RE WASTING YOUR TIME. AND not providing any benificial conversation. So, by me responding to your post, YOU'RE wasting MY TIME.

 

[JustMe2]

If you're wasting your time, why are you posting? I contributed by reminding posters to read all the posts before asking questions that have already been answered. That is wasting everyone's time.

 

[PutInOut]

Begs the question. I give up.

 

[Darryle]

Begs the question. I give up.

I like pudding

 

[quigley257]

The tripod that comes with the Xero is very compact and lightweight. This, in and of itself, means that it is not overly stable. I have knocked mine over a couple times now by just shifting my front rest around or adjusting a bipod on a rifle. I can see where a heavier, shorter unit would give better stability. other than that, I am really enjoying the reliability and simplicity of the Xero versus the LR. It just plain works, every time.

 

[M1A1ABRAMS]

The tripod that comes with the Xero is very compact and lightweight. This, in and of itself, means that it is not overly stable. I have knocked mine over a couple times now by just shifting my front rest around or adjusting a bipod on a rifle. I can see where a heavier, shorter unit would give better stability. other than that, I am really enjoying the reliability and simplicity of the Xero versus the LR. It just plain works, every time.

Boy, don't I feel like the horses @ss. I went & bought a used LR. I thought they were supposed to be the cats meow. I understood they had a few shortcomings. Shooting w/ a break. Needing a trigger. Which came w/ the unit I purchased. Battery life wasn't the best. Easy fix. And I don't shoot at public ranges. No need too. So no need to worry about other shooters interfering with my results. Oh well I may still find the unit to work out ok for me. If I ever get out to play with it. I did get the LR for a little more than half the cost of the Garmin. And the unit looks like new, w/ accessories. I wanted it mainly for load work ups. Time will tell. Won't be the first time I screwed myself. Due to ignorance. And I am sure it won't be the last. lol

 

[Shootin4fun]

Interesting note: The range I shot at was a public range and the staff are municipal workers. They aren't necessarily gun-savvy people. While I was shooting, one of the "range-officers" abruptly interrupted my shooting and said, "you aren't allowed to have that thing", as he pointed to the Garmin. I responded, "why not". He says, "cameras and videos are not permitted anywhere in the facility".

Sounds about right.

 

[Shootin4fun]

Had the Garmin as well
Super easy to use on many shots
The Garmin App has Xero issues, not like my labradar app
I get so frustrated with the LR app I just use it manually.
LR is very finicky as well, I have to get it perfectly set up with additional equipment for it to run good.

I am so glad I got the Garmin, xero regrets for sure!

Aside from 2x the price of a MS, those issues with the LR are why i didnt go that way last time around. Also size/weight for some of the places where i shoot. I saw them in use and they are obviously top of line, but required some messing around. (not that the MS doesn't with placement and retightening).

This one looks like a winner. Expect LR to respond with something. Must be better than or equal to Garmin, and at least 10% cheaper if the want the bone back. At $450 they would even be stealing some MS sales.

 

[Shootin4fun]

Boy, don't I feel like the horses @ss. I went & bought a used LR. I thought they were supposed to be the cats meow. I understood they had a few shortcomings. Shooting w/ a break. Needing a trigger. Which came w/ the unit I purchased. Battery life wasn't the best. Easy fix. And I don't shoot at public ranges. No need too. So no need to worry about other shooters interfering with my results. Oh well I may still find the unit to work out ok for me. If I ever get out to play with it. I did get the LR for a little more than half the cost of the Garmin. And the unit looks like new, w/ accessories. I wanted it mainly for load work ups. Time will tell. Won't be the first time I screwed myself. Due to ignorance. And I am sure it won't be the last. lol

Well, you did fine if the extra $300 you would have paid for the Garmin is important to you. Sounds like you have a well established place to shoot so once you have a good tripod and shooting position for the LR it will be rinse and repeat. Have fun with it!

 

[Shootin4fun]

No, it's when you have exhausted everything else, maybe consider reading the manual.

Picked mine up from Cabela's about a month ago...best accessory I've bought in a long time. Have the Magneto speed sporter...big improvement! Literally takes 15 seconds to set up and you're shooting. Only time mine has failed is when I was shooting my 44mag rifle and I went above the lower range limit of 1700fps to a load over 1800fps. Couldn't figure out why it wouldn't read. Finally remembered to switch to the upper speed range and it read every one. MY mistake.

One question...Do people really put their chronographs downrange at the target?? Guess I always thought that finding the velocity at the target was the purpose of ballistics programs. Never heard of that before.

I have put my Chrony downrange @100 for fun several times - right in front of the target. . Interestingly, speeds measured there were almost exactly what was calculated using speeds recorded at muzzle using the same device. Since results were repeatable with a few calibers and bullets in each, I haven't done it in a long time. It would be fun to move it out 100 yards at a time, but I'd better have it pretty dialed in once i get to >300.

 

[Shootin4fun]

As stated, I have! Just for fun, and i got a relative to itself confirmation of velocities. A Chrony is not going to guarantee you super high absolute accuracy, but ****, the numbers all worked out as calculated when using measured MV as a base. So maybe it was not just relative to itself, but absolute.

 

[Shootin4fun]

In my short time using the Garmin I've had 2 firmware updates. The first when I set it up and the second last Saturday. Don't actually know if the update affects the calculations you mentioned.

The numbers you stated, (9.3 & 12), are these SD from a Garmin and LR? If so, who is to say which is actually correct? The comparison between the two isn't valid. The only way to accurately measure accuracy is to measure each against an industry standard chronograph. Only this measurement will provide a usable comparison. If you don't, all your getting is data output that has no basis in accuracy. That can only come from testing to a standard, not against a comparison of chrono to chrono out there. If folks continue to test one make against the other, the only result you get will be a disparity between the two chronos and BOTH may be wrong. Or maybe one will be right. It's a coin toss.

Right, a standardized absolute would need to be established. Many of us could probably design a system to do that. I designed and made my first chrono in 1989 but didn't commercialize it. Used IR sensors and a Z80 processor . I could easily image a system using lasers to get absolute accurate measurements to which these other devices could be compared.