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For 7 mm enthusiasts

Since I'm leaving for a one-week trip I'd like to see that someone dedicated, best one of the famous rifle- makers on this site, will pick up the idea building a gun in 7 x 66 Super Express v H! :) Building a custom long-range hunting rifle round this calibre and promoting it successfully would be the top. Out there are always many people waiting for something new and exciting! Looking at the product's name Super Express it couldn't be that hard advertising for it. Realizing a project like this would just be awesome. :)
 
Varberger757 said:
It's all over the same! If someone dares to show up (also in the internet) with «cheap» equipment almost everyone is looking at that person as something low. Even if it's not that particular bad here in Norway, however you shouldn't show up with a unknown/ cheap brand, gun or even worse scope. That won't be good for the personal reputation. I've to admit that the scope question is affecting me also. IMO it is much more important to have top, expensive optics on top mounts on a maybe cheaper rifle. The rifle can always been tuned up the optics don't.


Now back to the 7's! I would love to buy a Sendero II, but I'm lefty so that's no choice. I have a nephew who is seriously starting out with hunting/ shooting, and I'm recommending strongly the Sendero in 7 RM to him. Personally, I might buy a 700 CDL LH and have it tuned by a good gunsmith with custom parts. Fortunately, Remington is still one of the better brands over here with reasonable prices. A Sendero II costs today between 1550 – 1850 Euros. Blaser, Sauer and the other known brands start between 2500 – 3500 Euro…
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Blaser and Sauer rifles are nice. I an a huge fan of Remington 700's.
 
Varberger,

I think that some of the reason that many people are disinterested in European calibers is that it is hard enough for us to get our "American" calibers. How difficult would it be to acquire the brass that you mention? Loading data? Etc.? I think that is the main hold up. It is hard enough to get 7 RM brass right now in the States.

I think the caliber you brought up is a very interesting idea though. 7mm, and no belted cartridge. Ballistics similar to the 7 RM. It makes a guy think.
I am sure that I am going to go 7 STW for my next rifle. I love 7mm bullets, and I ave no problem with belted cartridges

Interesting topic. Thank you!

Joe
 
Varberger757 said:
Since I'm leaving for a one-week trip I'd like to see that someone dedicated, best one of the famous rifle- makers on this site, will pick up the idea building a gun in 7 x 66 Super Express v H! :) Building a custom long-range hunting rifle round this calibre and promoting it successfully would be the top. Out there are always many people waiting for something new and exciting! Looking at the product's name Super Express it couldn't be that hard advertising for it. Realizing a project like this would just be awesome. :)
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I'm also a huge proponent of the 7mm chamberings. I received my first 7mm Rem Mag (Rem 700 ADL) in the spring of 1983 as a high-school graduation present.

The 7x66 Super Express v Hofe sounds like a great wildcat chambering - especially with a beltless case. However, as mentioned, obtaining the brass cases is most often the greatest challenge. Is the .404 Jeffrey parent case readily available in your European market?

Here in the States, wildcatting is usually done with the more readily available cases/chamberings. That's not *always" true, but is the general practice and for many reasons.

A prime example and relevant to this topic is the 7mm/300 Win mag wildcat. This chambering produces ballistics between the 7mm Rem Mag and the 7mm STW (not unlike your 7x66 SE v Hofe) using readily available 300 Win Mag cases (OK, given the reloading component market of late few things are readily available....).

I'm planning on having a 7mm/300 Win Mag put together as soon as I'm able because I happen to have about 350 new, *same lot number* 300 Win Mag cases just waiting (and NO THEY ARE NOT FOR SALE!!!).

Great topic and excellent discussion thus far!!! That said, I'm also an advocate for the big .338's (think 338 Lapua AI or similar), but in a more strict application well beyond where I'd employ any 7mm.

For me, the faster 7mm's get the nod for my big-game hunting needs from antelope/mule deer up to elk at moderate ranges (400-500 yds).
 
Speaking of having fun with a 7mm. I got the idea of long throating a 7mm WSM 28" Brux barrel to handle the 168 gr Barnes LRX. This bullet is actually longer than the 180 Bergers. With the bullet seated out I was able to pack 77.0 grains of magnum in the case. It ran 3,190 fps which is 3,796 ft lbs which is creeping into 7mm RUM territory but in a short action.
 
MudRunner2005 said:
Agreed. But his post did sound persuasive as if he was swaying towards a new 7.

As long as there's folks conversatin' about the 7, I'll be there, and it'll be better than silence.

Soon the howitzer crew will be in here telling us the 7's are worthless and you need a cannon to kill anything bigger than a squirrel. You know, it always has to turn into a "bigger is better" conversation on this forum.
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Mud, Mud, Mud.....:rolleyes:

I didn't think this was a "comparison" thread. I thought it was just about 7's? YOU turned it into a comparison thread. You started trash talking "howitzer" guys, which I guess I'm one, even though I was shooting and hunting with a 7 RM before you were even born :rolleyes: Part of my howitzer arsenal includes a 223, 22-250, 6-284 and 6.5 WSM :D gun)

In 5 pages, I have not seen one "howitzer guy in here trash talking 7's. Interesting.

So anyway, I think I read some false statements earlier, i.e. that a 7 RM can "out shoot" a 300 WM, etc., etc. Maybe I misunderstood? If I did please correct me. If I didn't I challenge anyone in this thread to show the ballistics to back this up.
 
MontanaRifleman said:
Mud, Mud, Mud.....:rolleyes:

I didn't think this was a "comparison" thread. I thought it was just about 7's? YOU turned it into a comparison thread. You started trash talking "howitzer" guys, which I guess I'm one, even though I was shooting and hunting with a 7 RM before you were even born :rolleyes: Part of my howitzer arsenal includes a 223, 22-250, 6-284 and 6.5 WSM :D gun)

In 5 pages, I have not seen one "howitzer guy in here trash talking 7's. Interesting.

So anyway, I think I read some false statements earlier, i.e. that a 7 RM can "out shoot" a 300 WM, etc., etc. Maybe I misunderstood? If I did please correct me. If I didn't I challenge anyone in this thread to show the ballistics to back this up.
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I own a .338 WinMag...I have come to realize that if you have something you are perfectly ok to talk trash about it, if you don't like it or it doesn't work right. That's what makes America great. :D If you would have read my other recent comments in other threads, I am not putting down the "howitzer crew"....I am simply stating that TO ME they are overkill. That's a personal preference. I never once said they were worthless or useless. Everything has its place.

I don't remember reading that a 7RM can "out shoot" a .300 WM...Atleast not in here. I remember reading on another thread that one other member said the 7RM can "out pound" a .300 WM or RUM, can't remember, but that was nobody in here.

Now, you're gonna take this wrong, but I don't mean this directed towards you...This is a generalized statemnt...

Whether you've been doing it since before I was born or not, really isn't a valid point. I know people who have been hunting for 3x my age, and they still can't hit the broad side of crap. With age doesn't necessarily come wisdom or ability. I've met lots of people at the range that are my dad's age that are happy with a 6" group @ 100 yards saying, "Yep, it's good enough to kill a deer..." Which I highly disagree with.

Now, let's not turn this into a massively crap-tastic BS arguement thread, like so many more before this...
 
Varberger757 said:
This thread should be hopefully an inspiration for the big community of 7mm enthusiasts on this site. Personally, I do have a long experience with the European 284s like the 7 x 57 and 7 x 64 (65R), great rounds. I always wanted a 7 RM badly and still do, but since I'm on this site and reading about the 7 STW on almost daily basis, I'm going to be addicted… :) Especially, because the round is quite unknown over here.
The same must be surely the case with the 7 x 66 Super Express vom Hofe in the USA. The 7 x 66 SE v H is a beltless magnum and was invented in 1955 by Walter Gehmann. http://www.gehmann.com The "mothercase" is the .404 Jeffrey. It's a cartridge constructed for the purpose of long-range hunting and a very potent round.The 7 x 66 SE v H is also no common product in Europe either which makes this round extremely exciting.

If requested the interested shooter will find companies like Horneber who delivers ready brass and fab – ammo can be bought at WR (Wolfgang Romey) with Woodleigh bullets. Over here in Europe, it's no issue to get a chamber reamed for this particular calibre, and surely not in the USA either. Any kind of Mauser action or its relatives like Rem 700, Win, etc. will fit perfectly.
The performance of the 7 x 66 SE v H is told to be between the 7 RM and 7 STW. I doubt that and mean that it could close up to the 7 STW with the right hand loads.
Since there are so many highly experienced guys in reloading on LRH's site, I thought they might get it done and push the 7 x 66 SE to its limits. I'm thinking f. ex. about the use of slow burning powders in combination with bullets like the Bergers and Accubonds etc.
[FONT=&quot]I'm looking forward to a nice and exciting discussion, and hope that I could contribute something interesting to this great forum. [/FONT]
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Varberger, other than the "howitzer" bashing, a very interesting thread. The 7 x 66 Super Express vom Hofe sounds like it lies between the 7 WSM and 7 Dakota which are also based off the 404 Jeffry, which is probably my favorite basic case design.

Interestingly, in another thread, we have been discussing another European created cartridge being the 8x68S. I like it and it could easily be necked down to a 7mm. As it is, it would be very close to a 7/300 WM. If improved it can match the 7 STW which is the same as a 7 Dakota in performance. Norma makes the 6x68S brass and it is available here in the US for a reasonable price.... and.... it has no belt :D

I also like the 338 LM as a parent case for a 7mm cartridge and would pick that over a RUM for better brass and a more compact configuration which is friendlier to the longer high BC Long Range bullets.

BTW, On a side note, I shot the 300 RUM for a few years without a muzzle brake and shot many sub 1/2 MOA groups with it. My new 300 RUM wears a muzzle brake to both make it more pleasant and more effective in getting back on target which is important int the Long Range game. You will probably notice that most of the serious LR shooters in this forum put brakes on their rifles, even the small er calibers.
 
Varberger757 said:
Now back to the 7's! I would love to buy a Sendero II, but I'm lefty so that's no choice. I have a nephew who is seriously starting out with hunting/ shooting, and I'm recommending strongly the Sendero in 7 RM to him. Personally, I might buy a 700 CDL LH and have it tuned by a good gunsmith with custom parts. Fortunately, Remington is still one of the better brands over here with reasonable prices. A Sendero II costs today between 1550 – 1850 Euros. Blaser, Sauer and the other known brands start between 2500 – 3500 Euro…
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Have you heard of Cooper rifles? They are a smaller stateside maker that is building a left hand mid-weight barreled 7stw rifle. Other than that I'd look at Tikka, Browning, and Remington depending on the caliber you'd like.
I'm an oddbadd at heart with rifles and finally got into a left handed semi-custom in 7stw a year and a half ago. If the European calibers were'nt as bad as they are to get brass for I'd probably already be in that chambering.
 
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