Ok, back to "First Hammers", shot groups this morning with the 6.5 Creed. Pretty well settled on 48.0 gr of StaBall 6.5 behind 117gr shockhammers. Group measures .486" @ 3,165 fps avg and an SD of 8. Makes 2 calibers I have hammer loads for. Still loving these bullets. Shot velocity tests in my 280 AI with 143 gr Hunters. Found the wall with RL22 at 3335 fps. Heaviest load of Magpro was'nt showing pressure yet at 69.2 gr and 3248. I need to back off .5 gr of RL22 and shoot group and continue with the Magpro til I hit pressure I guess and see which shoots the best. The way these bullets perform I'll be loading them in everything I shoot before long.