SilverbulletMAG
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Since this is inside 500 yards, I'd personally go with a mono (Hammer/Barnes/etc.) or bonded bullet (Nosler AB/Partition/etc.). No need for a high BC explodey bullet at those ranges...
Respectfully, extended range wasn't what he had in mind...
That's not to say anything 'bad' about the Bergers you are advocating. They are a fine bullet for longer range shots due to their high BC and ability to expand at low velocities. But they are not a controlled expansion bullet; just cup-and-core.
Shooting a 6.5 PRC at elk, he needs to tip the odds in his favor using a bullet that will hold together and penetrate. That gets us to bonded core bullets, partitioned bullets, or mono-metal bullets, all of which will do fine at the max range he indicated.
But we agree on the ELD-X! Not a good choice for this application.
I had my daughter shoot 143's in her Creedmore last year to test them and I was not to impressed, did not have a single bullet make it to the of side of a deer, I don't care if they exit I do however want to see them make it to the of side, the wound channels stopped mid way though and I could find no evidence that jacket or frag hit the of side, usually there will be a bunch of cuts or frag stuck inside the rib but there was nothing. They have behaved nothing like what we saw with the 140 Amax which was awesome sauce. I was very disappointed and surprised especially after years of shooting the 140 Berger!!Interesting. As a guide I've seen quite a few elk drop with 143's. 1 and done. Ive not killed an elk with a 147 but it does a hell of a job on deer and wolves. I'd have no issue. Basically the bullet as the amax
You realize the 142 ALRB BLOWS up far, far more than a 140 Berger right, they are one of the most explosive bullets I've ever shot, my faster 6.5's blow them right down to the base on the entrance on an elk and you might find a little base disk in the soup in the bottom, blew the front shoulder completely out of a deer with one!I am astounded at the number of shooters recommending fragile bullets on Elk. Grab some 142 LRABs, and shoot with confidence. I have shot over 35 elk, and they can soak up a hit better than can a moose. Additionally, with the bonded bullet (or a partition) you can take angled shots and expect them to reach vitals, something that is "iffy" with Vld types. Dave
I have never heard of guides having minimum requirements for elk. I am a DIY guy, so have never used a guide before. Do some of them really cut it off at 7mm? That seems silly since the difference between a 7mm and 270 is immaterial. Also muddies the water if a 308 win shooting 150's is ok, but a 264 win mag shooting 147's is not?Just curious - does your guide know you are planning to bring a 6.5mm PRC? I only ask because some folks have mentioned guides having a 'minimum caliber' restriction on their elk hunts. Some require .270 and above. Others make the cut-off 7mm and up. Probably some even want .30 cal or bigger. I'm not saying you NEED a bigger cartridge. I think your choice will work fine with the right bullet. But wanted to make sure your guide knew what your plan was before you got too far along in the planning/preparation process.
Assuming your guide is 'good' with your choice, you might ask him/her what bullets they 'prefer' you use. The ELD-X bullet has a good SD and BC, but it is not a 'controlled-expansion' bullet. The ELD-M is 'technically' not even a hunting bullet; it was designed for target shooting (not that people haven't used it on game...)
Elk are big, thick, and resistant to death. The 6.5 PRC can do the job and you are smart to seek out bullet recommendations. If you are looking for something that will likely pass all the way through an elk (which is good for blood trail and striking as many structures as you can) you might also consider the Barnes 120 gr TTSX or the Hammer 139 gr "sledge", since you are a reloader.
Run them the same velocities as the Berger in the similar grain range, I've not seen anything about an ALRB that is desirable, they open way faster and more than a Berger, I've seen some huge entrances with ALRBs then they plug a small hole through, I've sat and watched a guy pound an animal and by the time he got done killing it when we opened it up the inside was shredded then pencil holes through. A buddy sent me a pic of his deer missing most of the front end, they open faster and more explosive than a Ballistic tip!BG; you are obviously pushing the 1st design lrab quite fast to get the blowups you describe. I'm not a huge fan of hunting elk with bullets under 7mm. We have some pretty big bulls here in the area I hunt in bc. My pet elk killer is the 8mm Rem Mag, driving the 220 A-Frame at over 3000. Next in line is the 308 Norma mag....210 lrab right at 3000. No elk i have shot with these combos has gone beyond 50 meters , and meat looses are acceptable. Last elk taken with the big 8 was quartering toward me at 270 meters. That A-Frame smashed through the shoulder destroyed the lungs and was recovered under the hide in his flank. He went nowhere after the shot. I would not have attempted that shot with a fragile bullet. Dave
I personally think pass through is over-rated. Having said that, I would roll with the 147's. That is what i am going to be taking elk hunting this year.