Finer Than A Red Cross Hair

[Boatninja]

No worries at all. LRH on the mobile phone is terrible for me.



I don't have a Viper to directly compare to, but I have a Razor Gen II, LHT, and a Crossfire II. I have shot and owned various others over the years but tend to favor Vortex's Japanese stuff and find their other products more underwhelming. The Helix gets compared a lot to the Diamondback Tactical because they are spec'd similarly but the build quality, reticle, glass and turrets are better on the Helix at the same price point. Titan would probably compare most closely to Viper PST II, but put together a little better. The Nexus I am assuming approaches Razor Gen II without the weight but can't say without handling/looking through one. I like the Vortex products that I have (Crossfire is wonky but that was expected), but if I was on the market for another optic I would lean towards Element at this point. I think they represent a better value for your money, though obviously their offerings are much more limited depending on the specific application.

To answer the $1000 question, I bought mine off Camera Land and it shipped from FX Airguns right away. I would buy from them again if looking for another.



Not to my knowledge.

Thank's very much for taking the time to try to assist me, it is very appreciated. One of the things I had not mentioned earlier is this one CZ rifle is meant to be a hunting rifle that would double as a competition gun for Grandkids in the sub $1250 bracket If they continue to show interest we will continue. I think the Helix is a good fit.
The most important thing remains the crosshair thickness. Many if not most scopes that I have tried will totally block out the head of a quail (about the size of a dime) at 50-60 yds.
I am not at all Optics savvy, all of my scopes over 10 years old are Leopold and younger than 10 are Vortex plus one Eotech Vudoo. I have spent some time behind a Nightforce, and a Razor, neither mine, and loved both, but my bank account isn't built that way. I've been getting a crash course, I know I've read something about Low but haven't been able to find it. I have a couple of Rimfire projects going on and if in stock somewhere, will be getting at least a Helix tomorrow.

 

[skipglo]

25 zoom for 50 yards?

I questioned that too when reading! Especially combined with or Fixed power

 

[del2les]

Shooting quail with a .22 lr is legal in south Texas and old timers have told me it once was quite common. I am looking for a scope in the middle price range, with a range in the 5-25x zoom, or fixed focus that can be focused under 50 yds if possible. But the most important part is a very fine crosshair, or recommendations for reticles, floating dot etc. I just don't really have the experience with a variety of scopes like a lot of people on this forum. Thanks to anyone who offers to help, I really appreciate it.

When I read that, I flashed back to my youth on Southern farms and shooting Quail with an old Marlin 60 and then a Remington pump 572 Fieldmaster. We became such good crack shots, we could hit Quail on the rise or running down the field rows.

Later and when I began using scopes, I had a fine wire 4x and then a fine wire 4-12x mounted on a Remington 581 to shoot them in the fields and along hedge rows. Those were the days of young eyes, quick reflexes and plenty of time to be free.

 

[del2les]

Thank's very much for taking the time to try to assist me, it is very appreciated. One of the things I had not mentioned earlier is this one CZ rifle is meant to be a hunting rifle that would double as a competition gun for Grandkids in the sub $1250 bracket If they continue to show interest we will continue. I think the Helix is a good fit.
The most important thing remains the crosshair thickness. Many if not most scopes that I have tried will totally block out the head of a quail (about the size of a dime) at 50-60 yds.
I am not at all Optics savvy, all of my scopes over 10 years old are Leopold and younger than 10 are Vortex plus one Eotech Vudoo. I have spent some time behind a Nightforce, and a Razor, neither mine, and loved both, but my bank account isn't built that way. I've been getting a crash course, I know I've read something about Low but haven't been able to find it. I have a couple of Rimfire projects going on and if in stock somewhere, will be getting at least a Helix tomorrow.

Look at the BR series many mfg make. They tend to have the finer target crosshairs that may suit your needs.
Decades ago, it was easier to find fine crosshairs in many popular brands of hunting scopes, now not so much. Every so often, I come across one of the older lower power scopes that has the fine hairs, and I grab them for the 22's.

 

[Pootyng]

Camera land just got in several element scopes.

 

[Jon Bischof]

I understand exactly what you want. I have two Bushnell scopes on CZ 452 rifles. One is for precise USBR Targets at 25 and 50 yards--Bushnell Elite 4500 8-32X40SF focuses down to 25 yards. Very fine cross hair within a plex.

The other is dedicated small game rifle, but I also neck shoot birds with it. Bushnell Legend Ultra-HD 4.5-14X44SF, focuses down to 20 yards, but I have killed squirrels with it from 7-70 yards. Mil-Dot reticle is easy to see in the woods, but not too thick to make neck shots on doves.

Both of these great scopes are discontinued but both are worth buying if you can find them, at the right price.

Riton also makes scopes that focus down to 10 yards and their glass is very good/dollar.

Not a Vortex bandwagon rider.

For Texas Quail, you definitely want a scope with SF Parallax adjustment. AO is too slow and awkward.

 

[javman]

SWFA parallax down to 10 yds! Works great for what your trying to accomplish.

 

[bluedog69]

I have two scopes now with an illuminted red dot. Seems to make it much more easy to determine exactly where you are aiming.
My old eyes love the red dots!

 

[sturner]

VX-2 25x

 

[Thomas B.]

Contact Camera land to find out origin of the Element scopes.

Looking at Cameraland, are any part of these Element scopes Chinese?

 

[shootski]

Airgun folks that know exactly the scope solution you need Pyramiydair.com
Why shoot them with a .22LR? Check out how much more accurate and powerful adult airguns have become. Cheaper ammo, hardly anything ever needs to be cleaned, and far more accurate!

 

[Boatninja]

When I read that, I flashed back to my youth on Southern farms and shooting Quail with an old Marlin 60 and then a Remington pump 572 Fieldmaster. We became such good crack shots, we could hit Quail on the rise or running down the field rows.

Later and when I began using scopes, I had a fine wire 4x and then a fine wire 4-12x mounted on a Remington 581 to shoot them in the fields and along hedge rows. Those were the days of young eyes, quick reflexes and plenty of time to be free.

The old gentleman (ahem, I think he would have been just a few years older than I currently am) I learned from shot them running and on the wing with a well worn Winchester pump using .22 shorts. Before regulation he had shot them for sale to meat markets. He was a true outdoorsman and did "whatever season it was" for a living. We can only dream......

 

[Boatninja]

SWFA parallax down to 10 yds! Works great for what your trying to accomplish.

SWFA=?

 

[Boatninja]

Look at the BR series many mfg make. They tend to have the finer target crosshairs that may suit your needs.
Decades ago, it was easier to find fine crosshairs in many popular brands of hunting scopes, now not so much. Every so often, I come across one of the older lower power scopes that has the fine hairs, and I grab them for the 22's.

I had a 10X Bushnell Banner on an old Sako that I had that a Hurricane claimed, great for my purpose except, fixed power.