Ben Keller
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Might want to take a look at this game changer from Gunwerks.
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FINALLY! After-Market Iron Sights for the Remington 700 Ultimate Muzzle Loader!
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cohunt
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The "see-all open sight" is illegal in colorado-- I asked cpwand they said it's a no-no . I now have adjustable rear peep and front globe with fine crosshair insert.
ENCORE
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Another complete system for brakes by LR Customs.
From the FB site:
"I am really excited about releasing this brake system. Introducing the patent pending IRON-REX ST brake system. You can finally use your rifle to cover all the different states that require iron sights and not complete change your rifles performance. The complete Iron-Rex system includes the IRON-REX brake with a Lee Shaver front aperture installed directly into the brake, the new but gaining popularity MZ-Rex ST 4 brake, NEC rail Rear Peep sight, Tapered LRC jam nut, load through funnel, and starter.
I have always hated drilling holes in barrels to install a front sight ramp. I have always hated the distraction of seeing the front aperture in my scope. This also solves the issue with barrel harmonics changing from front sight to no sight. By swapping out the Iron-Rex for the MZ-Rex st, barrel harmonics doesn't change. Accuracy doesnt change.
This coupled with the NEC rail peep, if your scope goes down, you can remove the scope, slap on the Rear peep, level up the Iron-Rex and continue on your hunt.
Also need to let you know that this setup is great for the M50 or higher cheek piece stocks
You will be seeing this set up a lot more in coming months and is especially aimed (pun intended) to the Nevada, Washington, and Colorado hunters who invest a goodly amount of money in a rifle they want to use the same rifle in states which allow optics."
From the FB site:
"I am really excited about releasing this brake system. Introducing the patent pending IRON-REX ST brake system. You can finally use your rifle to cover all the different states that require iron sights and not complete change your rifles performance. The complete Iron-Rex system includes the IRON-REX brake with a Lee Shaver front aperture installed directly into the brake, the new but gaining popularity MZ-Rex ST 4 brake, NEC rail Rear Peep sight, Tapered LRC jam nut, load through funnel, and starter.
I have always hated drilling holes in barrels to install a front sight ramp. I have always hated the distraction of seeing the front aperture in my scope. This also solves the issue with barrel harmonics changing from front sight to no sight. By swapping out the Iron-Rex for the MZ-Rex st, barrel harmonics doesn't change. Accuracy doesnt change.
This coupled with the NEC rail peep, if your scope goes down, you can remove the scope, slap on the Rear peep, level up the Iron-Rex and continue on your hunt.
Also need to let you know that this setup is great for the M50 or higher cheek piece stocks
You will be seeing this set up a lot more in coming months and is especially aimed (pun intended) to the Nevada, Washington, and Colorado hunters who invest a goodly amount of money in a rifle they want to use the same rifle in states which allow optics."
cohunt
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Nope, I asked about those too for CO -- no "glass", period is what I was told
Open iron sights, peep, globe, hooded all ok but nothing "modern" with glass etc
I believe in Colorado, there may be an exception for people with vision issues for 1-1X... with documentation but you will cause a ruckus if you go there! I've researched it... There's nothing in the documentation that says no glass and there is further misleading qualifying language that speaks to it and it does say iron sights only also but there are some old school options I believe - it's very misleading and the game wardens are as much in the dark as we are with how to interpret it.
For what it's worth, and after much anxiety because of this thread, I just mounted a Williams Precision Muzzleloader on a 700 UML composite stock - fits like a gem - no cheek rest issues - space for red dot forward for other states. Per this thread - this is what you want:
Thanks Williams!
If you have vision issues and use cheaters, get a pair with lower magnification, take the left lense out, and go both eyes open and play with that - I'm experimenting with that but you can infer through the fuzzy reticle of the globe but there may be a possible solution there to be found... Good luck - HTH
Somewhere in CO
For what it's worth, and after much anxiety because of this thread, I just mounted a Williams Precision Muzzleloader on a 700 UML composite stock - fits like a gem - no cheek rest issues - space for red dot forward for other states. Per this thread - this is what you want:
Thanks Williams!
If you have vision issues and use cheaters, get a pair with lower magnification, take the left lense out, and go both eyes open and play with that - I'm experimenting with that but you can infer through the fuzzy reticle of the globe but there may be a possible solution there to be found... Good luck - HTH
Somewhere in CO
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GDKinCO
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Colorado game management and hunting rules and regs have gone to hell in a handbasket after takeover by the circus -er-parks management. Every year I've said "that's it, I've had it" to the next stupid thing they pull out of their backsides.
cohunt
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The problem is, you arent actually reading ALL the rules and regulations-- you are just reading the "handbook" hand out. There is a real regulation book that is thick and full of legal mubojumbo wording. If you have questions, you can email cpw and they will turn the legal/ enforcement questions over to Bob Thompson and you'llget your legal answer for him. He is very blunt and not up for inperpretations/discussions of his answeres. But he will site the actual regulation wording for you.I believe in Colorado, there may be an exception for people with vision issues for 1-1X... with documentation but you will cause a ruckus if you go there! I've researched it... There's nothing in the documentation that says no glass and there is further misleading qualifying language that speaks to it and it does say iron sights only also but there are some old school options I believe - it's very misleading and the game wardens are as much in the dark as we are with how to interpret it.
For what it's worth, and after much anxiety because of this thread, I just mounted a Williams Precision Muzzleloader on a 700 UML composite stock - fits like a gem - no cheek rest issues - space for red dot forward for other states. Per this thread - this is what you want:
Thanks Williams!
If you have vision issues and use cheaters, get a pair with lower magnification, take the left lense out, and go both eyes open and play with that - I'm experimenting with that but you can infer through the fuzzy reticle of the globe but there may be a possible solution there to be found... Good luck - HTH
Somewhere in CO
I just recently emailedback and forth regarding the "open sight " rule.. you can apply for an "accommodations permit" to use things like the trigicon red dot or see-all open sight, but you must qualify for a disability permit to use a 1x scope. Medical documentation is needed for either.
He specifically stated that no lenses of any type is allowed without a granted variance.
Now weather the field officers know or enforce "Bob's" rules is a whole different matter.
Bob did confirm that rear peep and hooded/globe front sights are legal
Fair enough, in CO it's worth mentioning there are thre other consideration such as powder req, no sabot, bolt is not considered beech for the primer so that's okay, I just checked with Sulphur Ranger District and should like to read the full reg - thanks for the info.
With regard to the laminated stock, it uses the same Williams sight rear as the Precision Muzzleloader; but, the peep orifice is a slightly different size (maybe drill it out if smaller -forget) - I forget exactly. You can buy just the globe front special order ~$60+/- but you may want to get a new peep orifice too - you could go with the twilight in the matched size if you contact them they'll match it... And then you get the dusk/dawn action to boot. This globe had a slightly larger diameter than many of the cowboy old-timer competitor specialty options out there - I looked at all I could find. Better light, faster target acquisition - looked hard at Lyman and Lee Shaver, Lee has some great stuff but the Williams Precision seemed the best fit and it's awesome with the composite stock or the laminate.
With regard to the laminated stock, it uses the same Williams sight rear as the Precision Muzzleloader; but, the peep orifice is a slightly different size (maybe drill it out if smaller -forget) - I forget exactly. You can buy just the globe front special order ~$60+/- but you may want to get a new peep orifice too - you could go with the twilight in the matched size if you contact them they'll match it... And then you get the dusk/dawn action to boot. This globe had a slightly larger diameter than many of the cowboy old-timer competitor specialty options out there - I looked at all I could find. Better light, faster target acquisition - looked hard at Lyman and Lee Shaver, Lee has some great stuff but the Williams Precision seemed the best fit and it's awesome with the composite stock or the laminate.
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cohunt
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I use an adjustable apature rear peep-- you can open/close it to what ever size suits your eyes and needs--- I like it to just halo the front globe, it allows my eyes to center the front sight much quicker and more accurately
We used to sit around the campfire years ago, about why don't they just combine the two....WORST THING EVER!
I am Still struggling working up a Colorado load for my RUM. I am shooting the Federal BOR Lock in 270gr with 77gr weighed of Black horn 209 and I am all over the place 10" groups but if I shoot the Remington sabot or the barns sabot I get 1" groups at 100 yards! Any suggestions???
ENCORE
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Try increasing the charge, which may make a significant difference.
Most guys are finding 105 to 112grs WEIGHT of BH209 stabilizes most 300gr bullets.
Sized properly the Fury line of bullets (50cal bullet to bore) are very accurate.
