Most tactical wannabes are not match competitors though.
So the "wannabes" should get SFP, the non-wannabes should get FFP? Or visa versa? What exactly does that mean?
I'm not sure what you expect meaningless insults to add to the conversation. You do realize there are many out there that say the exact same thing about long range hunters, right? That "most" of them are "wannabes" who buy an expensive rifle, fancy scope and think they can kill animals cleanly from long range but
really, blah, blah blah...... I don't think throwing insults like that at anybody who disagrees with your choice of gear is helpful at all.
And for LR on varmints, SFP is best by far. It's not subjective there at all.
Well, I'm glad you cleared that up for us then! Conversation over! And you came to this conclusion through your extensive experience with the best FFP scopes there are, trying to kill varmints with them, right?
Of course not. You don't feel the need to speak from experience on this subject.
While historically there haven't been that many affordable FFP scopes suitable for varmint hunting, there are now. I've had both the PST 6-24 and the Burris 5-25 SCR on my .204 P-dog rifle which work great to the limits of the round. The Veracity varmint reticle is specifically designed for it and even thinner. For extreme range tiny targets, the F-Class reticle in their 8-40 would work great.
In the heat of the day in a P-dog town when mirage is nasty, it's nice to be able to dial down the magnification and still be able to hold for wind properly. If you like to dial wind or guess hold-offs, then FFP won't offer anything for you.
it sounds to me like your using higher power scopes for hunting. I said when it comes to what I would call varmint type power ranges FFP might be better for that.
Yes, like most people here I prefer to use higher powered scopes.
the problem with the tactical community is they know what they know and are SOOO into group think and whatever the fad of the day is. This is never more pronounced than over at snipers hide. like I said 40mm tubed 3 pound scopes suitable for mounting on a 20 mm cannon. That is what they think you need to connect with a shot. tactical shooting competitions are an entirely different discipline than long range hunting.
It's very clear you have no clue what a tactical competition of any sort is like. Just so you know, "fads," by definition, are things without merit but are popular for a time anyway. When some of the best shooters in the country are in a match keeping score, they tend to figure out what actually improves their scores. They generally don't waste their time on things that don't.
But don't worry, guys. I didn't type all that for your benefit. I've been around long enough to know your minds won't be changed no matter what. But there are a lot of new members who haven't heard the same old arguments 1000 times yet.
They may not realize what horrifically horrible advice "holding off in inches" is unless your target literally has a ruler printed on it.....
I would think it would be the equivalent to a rifle shooter as sporting clays is to a shotgun shooter. A variety of targets at different unknown ranges and shooting in different positions seems realistic in hunting.
That's a very good way of putting it. As no two matches are the same, it's not about expecting every match to be exactly like some particular hunt. It's about marksmanship. Hitting small targets at long range in adverse conditions, under pressure when you're out of your comfort-zone. And being pushed beyond your limits--so everybody misses some targets, no matter how good you are. Like so many other things in life, the harder you make things on yourself when practicing, the easier time you'll have when you do it "for real."
If I did enter a match I wouldnt really want to do it with a tactical set up but rather my hunting set up as I am more interested in improving my skills then winning.
I've seen a lot of people do that. The only issue you may have with that is if your hunting rifle is a big one. A .308 or something is fine, a 300 Winmag is starting to push it; if you enter a 200 round match with an Utramag, etc, you'll get beat up, won't do very well and you'll burn up your barrel quickly. Since you only need to hit the target and not kill it, 6mm and 6.5mm's are more popular than they generally are for LRH. It's still marksmanship, the fundamentals are the same, but if you're going to go through 1000 rounds every couple of weeks, you probably want to get something that uses less powder than what many of us like to hunt with.
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