ELDM vs ELDX (construction-wise)

Off the top of my head I have...
Hornady
6.5mm 123 eld-m
22cal 53gr v-max
22cal 55 v-max
22cal 60 v-max
22cal 55 sp
20cal 32 v-max
Berger
7mm 195eol
7mm 175eol
6.5mm 140vld-h
6.5mm 156eol
6.5mm 130vld-h
20cal 35gr varmit
22cal 73gr match
Nosler
6.5mm 130 accubond
270cal 140 accubond
270 cal 130 balistic tip
270cal 1?? Partition
7mm 160 partition
Sierra
6.5mm 120gr matchking
270cal 130gr btsp?
Speer
6.5mm 120gr gold dot
I'm sure several others I'm forgetting. I can bag a couple of each up and send them your way to cut up.
The partitions and VLDs would be good, as I don't have any right now to get the three different stages I'm doing now (untouched, halved but with core, and just jacket).

I won't ask or expect you to send all of those, and I have examples of most of those in one caliber/weight or another, but the partitions and VLDs would be done I don't have. And three of a particular one is all I need, ideally.
 
Be happy too. Pm me a list of exactly the ones you want (don't be shy about it either) and your address. I'll get them labeled and sent your way.
 
So bullets like the Nosler Accubonds, Swift Scirocco, Norma BondStrike, etc have the jackets electro-chemically "soldered" to the cores and as a result they shed weight at a slower rate and typically in bigger pieces. They also take more force and energy to expand than softer non-bonded bullets. They will not expand as much at lower impact velocities, whereas non-bonded, particularly softer constructed bullets will.

Bullets like the ELDX, SST, Sierra TGK, Norma TipStrike, your basic CoreLokts, etc are all just mechanically bonded, but I don't really consider them truly bonded at all. They have means such as interlock rings, cannelures, thick tapering jackets, etc to slow the rate of expansion, but with high impact velocities and high resistance upon impact they can still suffer over-expansion and come apart more than a truly bonded bullet.

This is why understanding how bullets are constructed is important so you can select the right one for your needs. You're right that ABs do not come apart as easily as the ELDX, and that's because the AB has a thicker jacket plus it's fully electro-chemically bonded, whereas the ELDX has a tapering jacket that is overall thinner, especially at the ogive, and only has a small interlock ring to help adhere the jacket to the core.

Hoped that helps answer your question.
Thanks! Definitely answers question.
 
Thanks again from sharing all this information.

Wife hunts with the 162gr AMax in her 7mm-08, luckily I found a few hundred for her here, so we still don't need to change it to the ELDM.

I use the 162gr SST in my 7mm Rem Mag and also in the 7mm-08. My dad took a few elk with it with a 280 Rem and a 7mm SAUM, it is one great elk stomper.
 
I could work on that a bit. I don't currently have any interbonds or Cor-Lokt ultra bonded to cut apart. I do have some Sciroccos and Accubonds.

Those are all pretty similar in construction though, with mostly just varying BC and tip design. So retained velocity, and thus max range capability, and rate of expansion will vary a bit, but overall the performance will be similar with similar weights and impact velocities of each respective bullet.

I have 7mm 154gr Interbonds I think and some SST's as well, also have the 139gr SST, Interbond and Interlock SPBT, If you need any PM me your address and I'll send some your way.

Can provably compare the 139gr Interbond with a 140gr Accubond, and 154gr SST with the 160gr Accubond.
 
Petey, I'd be happy to throw some your way as well. I don't have a great selection.
7mm 168 VLD, 175 ABLR, 175, Core-Lokt
30 cal. 180 AB's, 200 AB's, 230 Berger OTM
 
Better question might be what are you willing to send? lol. There's a lot out there. I've done several and I know many are the same just different sizes and calibers (like TMKs, ELDMs, ELDXs Berger hybrids for the most part, etc, etc), but I still get requests for the same bullet but different caliber and/or weight. So then it makes the list of possibilities even longer lol.

I prefer 30 cal as a good middle ground regarding caliber size, but most are the same in whatever caliber, and he proportions just change.
I have a wide selection of 30 cals. 110-230 grain. Also, .264 140 grain Berger HVLD, and Hybrid Target, as well as Nosler RDF. Ask for anything specific and I'll send it if I have it. Two or three of each sample? I would be glad to help this along.
 
I have a wide selection of 30 cals. 110-230 grain. Also, .264 140 grain Berger HVLD, and Hybrid Target, as well as Nosler RDF. Ask for anything specific and I'll send it if I have it. Two or three of each sample? I would be glad to help this along.
That's greatly appreciated! I like to do 3 so I can get one as is, one halved with the core, and one with just the jacket. I can get by with just two with monos though since there's no core or jacket.

I haven't done any RDFs yet, I know that.
 
Awesome post! So what ELD bullet would be the most effective on elk size game with a 6.5mm bullet? And at what velocities?
 
It seems like this is always a common debate and topic. So I wanted to make my own thread on the matter, showing the comparisons between the Hornady ELDX and ELDM. They're not the same and are actually both improvements on two other Hornady bullets. The ELDX is simply just an improved SST and the ELDM is an improved AMAX.

The AMAX and ELDM are constructed the same, for all intents and purposes. The jacket thickness is the same (.024"), the core is the same, etc. The only difference is a slight change in the aerodynamic profile to boost the BC on the ELDM and the ELDM has the newer acetyl resin tip rather than just a basic polymer that the AMAX has. The ELDM and AMAX perform the same terminally, the ELDM just boosts max range capability and there are now many more options in each caliber than there were with the AMAX, even before they were discontinued.

The ELDX, like I said, is essentially just an improved SST. The jackets are the same thickness (.051") and taper out thinner the same amount, and both also have interlock rings. The ELDX, however, does not have a cannelure like the SST has, but it does have the newer acetyl resin tip. They're also available in other weights compared to the SST and they have a slightly more aerodynamic profile to boost BC. Not having the cannelure also reduces parasitic drag and thus increases BC as well. Terminally, the ELDX and SST perform the same. The external ballistics of the ELDX are better though.

Note: to my knowledge so far, there is one exception to all this. The 285gr .338" AMAX and now ELDM both are constructed more like an ELDX rather than the typical AMAX/ELDM. They have thick jackets and an interlock ring. They should be treated like an ELDX as far as terminal performance is concerned.

Hunters need to be aware that the ELDX has a significantly thicker jacket than the ELDM, plus it has the interlock ring, but overall the ELDX is still a relatively soft bullet- in that it's not actually fully bonded and the jackets taper in thickness. The ELDM does not taper in jacket thickness, nor does it have an interlock ring.

Even though it's constructed tougher, with too high of an impact velocity the ELDX can still suffer from poor penetration and over-expansion. Where they differ the most from the ELDM is on the lower end of impact velocity. The thicker jacket and interlock ring will really start holding the bullet together more so than the ELDM at impact velocities dipping below like 1800fps, especially with lower resistance upon impact as well. So the ELDM shines the most if you need a bullet that performs very well still at impact velocities around 2000fps and less.

For close range shots, what you need is a sufficient amount of sectional density, which is the amount of mass behind the frontal area of the bullet. How much you need will depend on the bullet construction and your expected impact velocity. An ELDX will still do better with more SD for close range (high impact velocity) shots due to how thin the jackets are at the ogive. If there's not enough mass behind the ogives, there might not be enough bullet left to do the job after the front starts coming apart on impact.

A bullet with thick jackets, but without tapering, would actually be better with less SD. You'd want less SD to lower the amount of penetration so that you can still achieve sufficient expansion. The Sierra TGK is a good example (I'll make a thread on these next). The cores on those are also made of a harder lead alloy and that will lower the rate of expansion as well. That type of bullet will come apart at a slower rate having the same thickness at the ogive as at the bearing surface area. With too much mass, it'll just punch right through before it has a chance to fully expand. Lowering the mass (SD) will lower the rate of penetration and balance out the expansion versus penetration. The same goes for actual bonded bullets too. If you go with a version with too much weight (SD) you'll end up with more penetration than expansion. Lowering the weight helps balance the two. Same concept with copper bullets too, but high impact velocity is even more crucial with those. You want relatively low SD and a high impact velocity for best results with those.

My point here is just things you still need to consider with the ELDX and even the SST if you're still using those.

Below are some side by side comparisons of similar size and weight ELDX and ELDM bullets. There's a pic of an AMAX too showing the jacket is the same thickness as the ELDM.

I have more bullets I can compare like this too, such as the 250gr .308" A-tip, 300gr .338" A-tips, etc. I'm always open to having any other bullets sent my way to cut open and post the results too.

Edit: here's some links to similar threads of mine for those interested:

https://www.longrangehunting.com/threads/norma-bondstrike-tipstrike-and-j-a-abram-bullets.312663/

https://www.longrangehunting.com/threads/sierra-tmk-vs-tgk-gamechanger.312653/

https://www.longrangehunting.com/threads/bullet-construction.283735/

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Very good article!!!!
 
I received a care package today from a very generous member here. Lots more bullets to add to my current database and that will be shared here in this forum. I've used and tested quite a few of these in the past, but that was before I was really documenting things like I am now, so it'll be really great having these samples to add.

Yes, these happen to all be less core bullets, but I've done several mono bullets too and and wanting to add as many of them to the database as I can as well. I do believe I have a few more different mono samples coming in the future too, which will be great.

I'm truly grateful for all the support I get here! It's pretty amazing. I have another package coming tomorrow with more bullets as well.

I'll do my best to get these cut open, measured, photographed, and posted for everyone to see as soon as I can. Fall sports, hunting season fast approaching, and my day job will take most of my time, so bear with me.

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I received a care package today from a very generous member here. Lots more bullets to add to my current database and that will be shared here in this forum. I've used and tested quite a few of these in the past, but that was before I was really documenting things like I am now, so it'll be really great having these samples to add.

Yes, these happen to all be less core bullets, but I've done several mono bullets too and and wanting to add as many of them to the database as I can as well. I do believe I have a few more different mono samples coming in the future too, which will be great.

I'm truly grateful for all the support I get here! It's pretty amazing. I have another package coming tomorrow with more bullets as well.

I'll do my best to get these cut open, measured, photographed, and posted for everyone to see as soon as I can. Fall sports, hunting season fast approaching, and my day job will take most of my time, so bear with me.

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Thanks Petey308!!!! This is great work you're doing for all of us!!!!
 
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