Do all rifle???

[Starlite]

I used to tell my ex-wife always make sure you go hiking with someone you can run faster than for that same reason but now I don't think I would given her any advice. Haha

So a double ended pointy stick wasn't under her tree from her X.

 

[Starlite]

yeah, I'm bumping this back into the soup. If ya haven't seen it yet; it is well worth a look.

I heard about that grizzly when I lived in Alberta. Reminds me of a true story as told to me by a fellow participant. Back 30-40 years ago there were lots of folks around here that depended on getting a moose to survive the winter. During that time a local, who only had a sawed-off 22LR used it with great effectiveness. He knew of a swamp where moose often went eating water grass. Every time the moose put its head in the water he'd bound forward. He'd finally get to the moose, put the barrel in its ear. This is where the fellow participant(s) came in. Quartered and packed out within the hour. Now thats good shooting; quite the opposite of LRH. None the less plenty of poor families had food to eat as a result.

 

[Jon Bischof]

Incredible story and nerve!

 

[chariotdriver]

Close to my great grandfathers stories how he kept the family alive "hunting" elk year-round with the Win 32SL during the depression. The loaded cartridge looks like a 327 federal pistol round! LRH wasn't in their vocabulary. Local gun club asked I don't bring it back due to the hang-fires of the old ammo. Proper muzzle discipline was exercised at all times thank goodness

 

[Lefty G-gear]

If you had to choose one rifle to hunt everything from antelope to elk, what would it be? This rifle must use components that are readily available. It must also be a caliber that is inherently accurate. No need to waste 600 rounds of 1000 round barrel life doing load development. I want to build a rifle but can't decide what to build.

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[hunterbob]

IF the Do All Rifle is also The ONLY Rifle, then the equation changes...

An AR-10 with a chrome-lined barrel fulfills every role possible. The .308win chambering offers Best Barrel Life and will shoot mild loads to cast bullets and 7.62x51 loads. Magazine length loads depends on bullet design. Not gonna tolerate VLD bullets, except if single-loaded. Premium bullets and 168 or 175gr BTHP offer great versatility and penetration.

The AR design can be Very Accurate. Much easier to gunsmith an AR than any bolt gun. One lower receiver, several complete uppers. 16" carbine and 24" match barrel gives dual duty potentials to one "rifle".

The integral Picatinny rail enables superior accuracy and scope swapping. Usually easy to buy spare parts for repair reserves. Most common parts to replace: ejector, extractor, firing pin, springs for each, trigger springs, maybe a detent ball spare or two should one get lost if ever do a full tear-down. Keep a spare Bolt Carrier Group and barrel extension, maybe a gas tube in each size for each upper.

Chrome-lined barrels aren't a poor choice for accuracy. If ever need to fire more than a few rounds in a hurry, your barrel throat isn't gonna be toasted. The FN-H Patrol and Police bolt guns offer chrome-lined barrels and Win CRF cloned action. Very high quality. The Hogue full alum bedded stocks are pretty nice, especially the non-slip finish.

Similarly, the AR-15 varmint uppers can deliver great range if fast twist barrel is included. A 1:6.5 twist enables use of the 90gr VLD matchkings and other customs. Single-loaded, but they deliver out to 1000yds. A 1:7 or 1:8 twist should be fine for the mag length 75 & 77gr bthp match bullets. These perform at sub-moa if you can shoot them out past 600yds. With next to no recoil and match capability lots of versatility here, plus you got Nosler Partition in .224cal.

Magnums like .224 & 6mm WSSM have been chambered in the AR-15, along with 6.5 Grendel and .50 Beowulf; the 6x45 is another option and the 6.8sc... In AR-10, Armalite chambered the .300saum; & the .450marlin and other saum neck-ups have been done. The .458 socom is another excellent ctg that delivers 400gr cast bullets and the 300gr jacketed & on up bullet weights. One lower and a couple of uppers and you got bases covered. Bound to be a 20 or 17cal necked down .223, for real tiny varmints.

I'd say the Do-All rifle is an extremely practical proposition when compared to trying to make-do with a big magnum. The smaller, older, belted cases can be downloaded with med burn rate powders, but anything with a capacity more than a .300win mag is probably prone to detonation with partial charges. The Lyman Cast Bullet Handbook is worth owning if you're interested in cast bullet loads in your large magnum. However the 10gr Unique "universal" load is N/A when it comes to big capacity cases.

Not many bolt rifles can be bought with spare bolts over the counter. Sako is the only one I can think of, maybe Blaser... The AR 15 & 10 are super choices for durable, accurate, and easy to field service/repair rifles.

If i ever go to Grizzly country. The DPMS 308 with a 20 rd mag (168 gr SST) is another choice i have , an my walthers PPQ 45 ACP.. After-all i won't hunt coyotes to save the fur. Or my Savage 308 with my Super Redhawk for backup...

 

[hunterbob]

It would be my 270 custom made, with a Douglas Barrel , without question.

We all have our choices and some of us have more guns than we ever thought of having....lol

 

[Lenny Foffa]

If I had to pick only One rifle (UGGGHH !!! ) For me it would be a light .270 Win, with a 24 inch barrel with a twist suitable for both 130grn and 150 grn High BC bullets. A fine crisp trigger would also be a must as well as a Blue printed Action and Bolt . My Load would be built around a powder that was usually available, ( H 4831 /H 4831 SC /IMR 4831 / IMR 4350 ) not Unicorn Powder that is only available from NASA , on rare occasion. Heart shots should be /could be made on Elk out to 400 yards with High Quality Optics , an accurate handload that you have shot over and over at the range, and a good shooting stick . Since for me, it would be 6 or 7 deer hunting seasons per one elk hunt , so I could live with that set up, if I had too. Just a suggestion Buddy !!!

 

[hunterbob]

If I had to pick only One rifle (UGGGHH !!! ) For me it would be a light .270 Win, with a 24 inch barrel with a twist suitable for both 130grn and 150 grn High BC bullets. A fine crisp trigger would also be a must as well as a Blue printed Action and Bolt . My Load would be built around a powder that was usually available, ( H 4831 /H 4831 SC /IMR 4831 / IMR 4350 ) not Unicorn Powder that is only available from NASA , on rare occasion. Heart shots should be /could be made on Elk out to 400 yards with High Quality Optics , an accurate handload that you have shot over and over at the range, and a good shooting stick . Since for me, it would be 6 or 7 deer hunting seasons per one elk hunt , so I could live with that set up, if I had too. Just a suggestion Buddy !!!

Long shot shots , long range are great, Some guys are that good.. We kicked a guy off our lease for making unethical shots , wounded an animal , never recovered.. He shot the second one like that too, but we recovered it and finished it off, while he bragged he took the longest shot. (he never touched the animal he shot),, I got no use for a man that doesn't touch the animal he shot, even a coyote.

.. I was a mountain hunter for years since 1963 ... I always took into consideration the animal i was after, not the the longest shot.... If i wanted to shoot long distance; would do that on targets , or praire dogs ,,, Still as hunters we have to be humane. If i saw an animal at 400 yds , it would be a stalk for me,,,because i don't carry a backpack and a tripod etc with me..

.All those reloads you have there , i have done many times over the years.. Now that I am retired , i do more of it, and do just the proven loads for my rifles. I love the 270 with the IMR 4831. I have a Douglas barrel on mine. I do a different kind of hunting and my savage model 10 , 308 is what i use for hogs and coyotes .. with 3031 powder 125 gr bullet... I carry a 45 ACP , and i would carry it in bear country, if that was where i was hunting...but always with a partner.. I have shot two black bear in my time. Just came upon them accidently I say, and they were too close for comfort, on a mountain,,,i had a 308 Win. Model 100, in those days...and my rifle was all i carried and a samich in my pocket. (belt with 20 rds, a knife, pack of Pall Malls , my pipe with Cherry blend tobacco)

 

[Anschutz]

Long shot shots , long range are great, Some guys are that good.. We kicked a guy off our lease for making unethical shots , wounded an animal , never recovered.. He shot the second one like that too, but we recovered it and finished it off, while he bragged he took the longest shot. (he never touched the animal he shot),, I got no use for a man that doesn't touch the animal he shot, even a coyote.

.. I was a mountain hunter for years since 1963 ... I always took into consideration the animal i was after, not the the longest shot.... If i wanted to shoot long distance; would do that on targets , or praire dogs ,,, Still as hunters we have to be humane. If i saw an animal at 400 yds , it would be a stalk for me,,,because i don't carry a backpack and a tripod etc with me..

.All those reloads you have there , i have done many times over the years.. Now that I am retired , i do more of it, and do just the proven loads for my rifles. I love the 270 with the IMR 4831. I have a Douglas barrel on mine. I do a different kind of hunting and my savage model 10 , 308 is what i use for hogs and coyotes .. with 3031 powder 125 gr bullet... I carry a 45 ACP , and i would carry it in bear country, if that was where i was hunting...but always with a partner.. I have shot two black bear in my time. Just came upon them accidently I say, and they were too close for comfort, on a mountain,,,i had a 308 Win. Model 100, in those days...and my rifle was all i carried and a samich in my pocket. (belt with 20 rds, a knife, pack of Pall Malls , my pipe with Cherry blend tobacco)

My grandmother shot a black bear in Maine with a 308 Model 100. Was deer hunting and sat down to have a smoke, heard something rustling along, saw the bear close, shot it and then had another smoke. My dad has the newspaper article somewhere reporting her as the first lady to kill a bear in the county.

 

[Lenny Foffa]

So as Do All Rifle, I suggest the Weatherby Mark V Ultralight . 5 3/4 pounds with a 24 inch S/S Fluted barrel, and a very crisp trigger.
That rifle can be Chambered in either 30-06 or .270 Win. Two excellent all around Cartridges. Easy to load for and easy to find factory ammo . To complete the One All Around Rifle Hunting set up, I would suggest Two scopes. If you know the game and the location and the average shooting distance , I use the Leupold Vari X 3 in 2.5X to 8X for general white tail hunting on eastern farms, and the Leupold Vari X 3 in 4.5X to 14 X for Hunts where 300 yard shots are likely, and 400 yard shots are possible. I own this exact set up in ,270 Win, but would be just as comfortable if it were chambered in 30-06. I switch the scopes, as the Hunting situation dictates. If both Scopes have the same main tube Diameter, its even easier. Sight in at 100 , 200 or 300 yards prior to the season. Make your Zero where you think it make the most sense. ( for me its always either 100 or 200 yards ) Use the bullet best suited for the game your after , and hunt with confidence. If I had to have only one all around Rifle for Antelope /Whitetail / Mule deer / Black tail deer and the occasional Elk / Black Bear etc. that would be it. (Not suitable for hunting Brown Bear)

 

[hunterbob]

My grandmother shot a black bear in Maine with a 308 Model 100. Was deer hunting and sat down to have a smoke, heard something rustling along, saw the bear close, shot it and then had another smoke. My dad has the newspaper article somewhere reporting her as the first lady to kill a bear in the county.

Awesome story, brother.. Love it...

 

[ObiWanKannoli]

Do all is a tough rifle. On the two extremes of the game spectrum you're either blowing stuff up or wounding animals / not finding them. That being said, a hot 6.5 or 7mm might be the ticket.

To me, for a one do all, I would take a 6.5 PRC in something carbon and below 7 pounds dry. But again, you're probably going to blow up prairie dogs and maybe not find brown bear (I know, an elephant has been killed with a .22).

That being said, I do two guns. 5.56 and 300 PRC.