The devastation created by the Bergers is evident. However, I enjoy the meat, primarily my reason for hunting. Bloodshot meat is wasted to me. I used Nosler PTs for years, then Accubonds. Since meat is my primary goal, the more of it I can save for the table, the better. I recently switched over to Hammers, but did not draw last year. I'm anxious to see how well they perform. Personal max distance for me is 500 yards, self imposed. I can see the benefit of the Bergers with long distance shots, I just choose not to take them.