Cutting Edge Bullets

[Overkill338]

Overkill338

I don't believe you are right or wrong. The debate of fragmenting bullets that leave all the energy in an animal versus penetration (2holes) will go on forever.

You are entitled to your opinion, as is everyone else. No pictures needed. Maybe an open mind that there are different opinions of yours will result in more meaningful content.

Steve

Yes, but when some tool makes a joke about waders and BS, how am I the bad guy?

 

[Overkill338]

Please cite your source for the research backing up this statement.

https://www.ballisticstudies.com/Knowledgebase/Effective+Game+Killing.html

 

[BoomFlop]

Overkill338

I never said you were a bad guy, as I don't not know you.

My only "disagreement" was your choice in how you replied to opposition Sir.

Steve

 

[Overkill338]

Energy means BUMPKIS, I can't count how many times I've seen an elk have the spine shocked by a near miss and it drops them after a few seconds it's dragging it's self then it gets it back end back under it and then all of the sudden your back to a fully functional elk because someone though energy was permanent reliable thing, never seen one recover from a 4 inch hole blown through it's lungs from parts of the bullet mechanically shredding it!!
Your comparing testing with a pistol bullet compared to a rifle bullet on big game, I honestly don't understand how someone can make any leap to how any data from one is relevant to the other!!

The pistol reference was just to show how energy makes a difference. I never said a bad shot would kill because of energy. A bad shot is a bad shot, period. But directly through the vitals, with a big boomer, and they will ALMOST always drop in their tracks. I never said anything is guaranteed, but if you can't understand low energy vs high energy, then I can't help you.

I double lunged a 100 lb doe at 15 yards with a Glock 29 and she ran a long *** way, even though the 200 grain XTP made a full pass through. But you think two holes is the best way to kill. Why didn't she drop instantly with the super magic pass through?

Yet a similar Doe at 386 yards, with a 180 Interlock from a .300 Win Mag, she dropped, dead before she hit the ground. Bullet was in the offside shoulder.

I'm not coming back to this thread, because I'm not being baited into an argument.

 

[yorke-1]

https://www.ballisticstudies.com/Knowledgebase/Effective+Game+Killing.html

So the source falls into the "some guy on the internet" category.

 

[Overkill338]

So the source falls into the "some guy on the internet" category.

Oh yes, oh great God of ballistics, us mere mortals will bow it to your greatness. You can keep living in your polyanna world, and I will stick to reality. I've tried to explain it so everyone can understand it, and you still don't understand. So be sure to hunt with FMJ ammo so you get that 2nd hole.

 

[bigngreen]

Oh yes, oh great God of ballistics, us mere mortals will bow it to your greatness. You can keep living in your polyanna world, and I will stick to reality. I've tried to explain it so everyone can understand it, and you still don't understand. So be sure to hunt with FMJ ammo so you get that 2nd hole.

Your sir are a Moron, and now I'm reporting my post to Len!!!

 

[WYO300RUM]

OMG ! Can't we all just get along ? Can't we agree to disagree? Or however that goes....

 

[bigngreen]

I actually don't care about two holes, I care about a bullet that sheds enough weight in the core of an elk that it creates a major permenant hole in the vital causing a massive blood pressure crash and O2 shortage. I've got elk with enough energy through the chest that it popped the blood vessels around the stomach and she held her feet and made it a couple hundred yards, massive energy dump with a bonded bullet but little permenant wound channel. I've shot quite a few with a 223 and a bullet that frags and they wobble 20 yards and tip over. I used to fill whitetail deer from a cemetery with a 22lr, I would drill the tips so they broke up, deer would kick and run a few feet then while looking around til over from blood loss, quick, clean and quite, zero energy.

 

[bigngreen]

Not worth it.

 

[NEMTHunter]

A fragmenting bullet is like getting the inside of an animal hit with birdshot. It destroys the insides.

 

[Len Backus]

Overkill338

Please calm down, watch your language and your argumentative attitude

... while you take a 90 day break.

 

[CMP70306]

https://www.ballisticstudies.com/Knowledgebase/Effective+Game+Killing.html

So for a moment can we appreciate the irony that the ballistic article Overkill posted as proof that fragmenting bullets are a gimmick was written by Nathan Foster who has extensive knowledge of the terminal ballistics on long range game and the only monolithic bullets he recommends for long range hunting are bullets which use a fragmenting to kill game such as the Lehigh and Cutting Edge bullets.

https://www.ballisticstudies.com/Knowledgebase/Homogenous+copper+bullets+can+be+inhumane.html

 

[HARPERC]

When I take a moment, it comes to my mind this not the first time a poster/poser, with a decade old join date, what appears to be a dormant period, suddenly starts swinging from the hip on numerous threads.

Anybody know this guy? Rhetorical question no answer required.