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Cleaning loaded cases

loaded ammo say 50-100 rounds cooking of in your loading room
or garage.what would you tell the insurance company and the fire dept.
to risky for me.

Nothing.

A round, any round thats not contained in a chamber simply goes 'phoooooooof with the primer is ignited. No biggie. But they aren't going to ignite (primer) by tumbling in a vibratory tumbler, the primer needs a sharp concentrated blow to ignite. Won't ever hapopen in any vibratory tumbler......never ever.

Don't believe me? Take a handfull and toss 'em in your BBQ grill and observe.

I've been tumbling finished, loaded rounds for years prior to boxing them. I've decapped numerous unactivated primers with no issue either. I use a Wilson decapping tool and my arbor press.
 
Nothing.

A round, any round thats not contained in a chamber simply goes 'phoooooooof with the primer is ignited. No biggie.


Yeah it's like magic..."POOOOF" you have no fingers!:D:D:D
 

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loaded ammo say 50-100 rounds cooking of in your loading room
or garage.what would you tell the insurance company and the fire dept.
to risky for me.

In your loading room not in your hand. I seriously doubt that carnage was from igniting powder anyway. There is no cauterization from the burning powder. Looks more like a mechanical injury, most likely a motorcycle chain or a machine tool.

Mythbusters did an expose' on the myth of igniting powder in a case with bullet, not chambered. You obviously missed it.

Bottom line is, I'll do it my way and you do it yours.
 
I am not worried about a round cooking of in a tumber, i am more worried about the tumbler changing the burn rate of the powder by breaking it down. Powders are coated with graphite and other substances to ****** burning, slowing down the burn rate. Tumble long enough and grind your powder down, you have a case loaded with a huge charge of way fater than expected powder. Best case, you wind up with inconsistant rounds, worst case you get the equivelant of a case full of Bullseye and spontanious rifle disassembly. Not on my list of fun things to see and do in this lifetime!
 
In your loading room not in your hand. I seriously doubt that carnage was from igniting powder anyway. There is no cauterization from the burning powder. Looks more like a mechanical injury, most likely a motorcycle chain or a machine tool.

Mythbusters did an expose' on the myth of igniting powder in a case with bullet, not chambered. You obviously missed it.

Bottom line is, I'll do it my way and you do it yours.

Negative! That picture was sent out as an alert from the Department of the Army, it was a .50 BMG round that exploded in a soldier's hand in Iraq...not in a chamber!

As far as Mythbusters is concerned...you keep getting your data from goobers on tv and doing things your way. I'll get my scientific data from the rest of the know it alls on the internet.:rolleyes:
 
Most case lubes are water based, so I will tumble and size/decap them and then put them in a big container with some dishsoap and hot water. I stir them up and then rinse the crud off. It really is some nasty water that comes out. Then it's off to the oven for a 250* bake for an hr.
I've had a lot of problems with some reloads I inherited because of case lube. My AR's won't shoot many before the carbonized lube starts rearing it's ugly head, mostly by not allowing the bolt to get to battery before the case gets stuck.
 
Negative! That picture was sent out as an alert from the Department of the Army, it was a .50 BMG round that exploded in a soldier's hand in Iraq...not in a chamber!

As far as Mythbusters is concerned...you keep getting your data from goobers on tv and doing things your way. I'll get my scientific data from the rest of the know it alls on the internet.:rolleyes:

Interesting.

Incidentially, I just had the third batch of 150 loaded 223's in the tumbler for the finall clean/polish before boxing. That is almost 1500 rounds this time, not counting the close to 5,000 I have already put away for my shooting at the club.

Far as the government goes, I believe about 10% of what they say is gospel and disregard the rest as propaganda... and I'm not buying into your carnage picture, in fact, it's highly unlikely.

Sort of like the supposed decapping live primers and the resultant carnage..... Done that too, many times. I'm still here. Have all my digits too.

Don't get me wrong, there are always a couple different ways to approach any issue. The way I do it works just fine for me though it may not work for you.

Far as Mythbusters goes, it's simple physics actually. The only resistance to the expanding gases as the powder oxidizes, is the seated projectile, which. we all know is seated in the neck at a resistance value that allows the powder charge to unseat it (projectile) with a minimum amount of expansive effort (one reason for crimping projectiles in semi-automatic or magazine fed rifles/pistols, where recoil can move the projectiles in the magazine.

That resistance is designed to be minimal, consequently, as the powder oxidizes, the projectile is pushed from the neck and the powder essentially flashes with no appreciable force expended because there is no restraint.

Put another way, throw an aersol can in a fire. the propellant inside reaches a critical expansion value from the heat of the fire, but, the plastic nozzle melts first and the can simply goes woooosh. So long as the contained volume can escape unimpeded, there is no explosion or abrupt discharge.

Thas how it works, always has worked and will work forever or until your government removes firearms from the citizens.:)

That picture of the hand, if caused by a 50BMG round going off, there were mitigating circumstances involved, where the round was constrained and the projectile was not allowed free movement. I'm not saying that you won't get injured, you'd probably get burned, but, the amount of damage to the hand isn't comensurate with the detonation of an unrestrained shell in the size of a .50BMG, which, is similar to the 338 Lapua's I also tumble prior to putting away.

Furthermore, this whole scenario (tumbling loaded cartridges) has been discussed on thie site before, with, I might add, the same sort of concerns. I was tumbling my reloads then as I am now. I like 'em clean. I like 'em free from fingerprints and the oil on your skin that causes oxidation of the brass. I pull them from the media with cotton gloves on and box 'em and will continue to do so.

My personal feeling is that you are more at risk driving your car in traffic than tumbling loaded shells.
 
I read the investigation report, the idiot was holding it in his hand and using it to beat on the pins to the mount. Primer went off and this is the result.
I'm sorry brother, but a high powered rifle shell will freaking exode! Had a stupid E-7 toss a belt of about 20 rounds of 7.62 into a fire we were standing by. They didn't go poof. As far as the bullets flying everywhere like they were shot out of a barrel, that's a different subject. I've also seen the results of a soldier opening the top cover of a 7.62 machine gun that experienced a stoppage. A round had been cooking partially chambered in a hot barrel, when he pulled the charging handle to the rear and opened the feed cover the round exploded in his face. Brass peppered his face (lucky he was wearing safety glasses), knocked him out momentarily and gave him a mild concusion. I know what you are gonna say, the round was still in the receiver and it focused a lot of the pressure up. This is true, however there was no simple poof. It was an explosion that could have been catastrophic.
 
Actually, I'm gonna say 'you do it your way and I'll do it mine.

Like I said, mitigating circumstances as it pertains to the mangled hand.
 
Roger That! You do what you are gonna do. If we all believed the same things these conversations would be boring.


To everybody else my point is: DON'T DO STUPID STUFF WITH YOUR AMMO!
Even that little primer has enough to make you regret it.
 
I don't post much anymore but tumbling loaded amunition is just plain stupid for many reasons which I will not waste the time going into the detail. In short not safe, ruins concentricity if you had any, breaks down the powder coatings which destroys the burn rate and give very inconsistent pressures which as we all know does ?????? Of all of the hair brained ideas people have posted this is one of the top 5 lol.
 
I am not worried about a round cooking of in a tumber, i am more worried about the tumbler changing the burn rate of the powder by breaking it down. Powders are coated with graphite and other substances to ****** burning, slowing down the burn rate. Tumble long enough and grind your powder down, you have a case loaded with a huge charge of way fater than expected powder. Best case, you wind up with inconsistant rounds, worst case you get the equivelant of a case full of Bullseye and spontanious rifle disassembly. Not on my list of fun things to see and do in this lifetime!

Very good point and I forgot about that . The agitation is not good for the powder itself if it is able to slosh around inside the case.
Thanks for the reminder . It is like many things in life one situation may work but do the same in another and it don't work as before .
I put a huge amount of effort into loading precision rounds my feeling is why tumble the **** out of them it makes no sense to me on any level .
The case should be clean before you load it.
I can see that some may have old dirty loaded rounds that need cleaning .
 
Now im not argueing but when the powder is on the truck for shipment it surely able to 'sloshes' around the keg. And how about when the ammo is in your ammo box getting thrown around in your car when driving to where you will be hunting? So I think polishing in a vibrotory tumbler isnt that big of a deal.
 
As I type this my tumbler is busy tumbling 100 lots of loaded rounds, making them pretty.....

Got another 700 to go...........

Which bring me to a new subject and thread......
 
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